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U.S. Can’t Trace Foreign Visitors on Expired Visa [Approx. 3 Million Visitors Unaccounted For!]
NYTimes ^
| October 11th 2009
Posted on 10/11/2009 10:57:54 PM PDT by Steelfish
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posted on
10/11/2009 10:57:55 PM PDT
by
Steelfish
To: Steelfish
I’m guessing the excuse is going to be: “the system failed us.”
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posted on
10/11/2009 11:00:42 PM PDT
by
Steely Tom
(Without the second, the rest are just politicians BS.)
To: Steely Tom
It’s racist to find all 3 million.
To: Steelfish
Could happen to anybody.
At least we've got the borders secured.
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posted on
10/11/2009 11:15:23 PM PDT
by
SIDENET
("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
To: Steelfish
Eight years after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and despite repeated mandates from Congress, the United States still has no reliable system for verifying that foreign visitors have left the country.Can the folks at the top be really that stupid?
I mean, it's like "duh!"--track what visas were issued and to whom, and then record entries and exits when the individual's passport is inspected at point of entry or point of exit (which would correspond to a point of entry in the destination country).
Tracking foreign visitors once they are in the United States is a different story.
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posted on
10/11/2009 11:16:07 PM PDT
by
rabscuttle385
(Kick corrupt Democrats *AND* Republicans out of office in 2010!)
To: SIDENET
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posted on
10/11/2009 11:22:54 PM PDT
by
elk
To: Steelfish
Eight years after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and despite repeated mandates from Congress, the United States still has no reliable system for verifying that foreign visitors have left the country.
When we make no real effort to control our borders and anyone who wishes can enter the US without legal approval, what difference does this make?
To: Steelfish
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posted on
10/11/2009 11:30:02 PM PDT
by
allmost
To: Steelfish
Yeah, chip everyone so this doesn’t happen. Oh wait..
To: AnotherUnixGeek
There are four basic keys to fixing the problem but the public has zero interest. First, national ID card across the nation for citizens only. Second, make it a requirement to show the card if you want to sign a apartment rental deal or rent a hotel room or get any service via anyone. Third, visas are written for 120 days maximum...if you want to extend it...you ask to extend it but you keep putting yourself back into the request mood each time. Finally...put a bounty on each one of these guys who overstay and fail to request a new visa....say $3k in cash to turn the guy in and then accept no reasoning for helping the guy ever again. If you got 100,000 bounty hunters on the streets of the US...we’d eventually fix the problem.
To: pepsionice
First, national ID card across the nation...
We`had some hijackers on 9/11 with legal licenses. Beyond that reality Big Brother's got enough info on it's citizens as it is.
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posted on
10/12/2009 12:01:01 AM PDT
by
allmost
To: Steelfish
The only group that they have relatively good monitoring system is the international students who go to legitimate schools, through SEVIS. Students have to take certain number of credits to stay legally in the US. Even this, the problem will only arise when the students want to officially depart from, or re-enter the US. Apart from this system, I don't know how they trace 'visitors' -- especially those who do not want to take official routes.
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posted on
10/12/2009 12:16:10 AM PDT
by
paudio
(Road to hell is paved by unintended consequences of good intentions)
To: Steelfish
The current system is broke.
It cannot be fixed.
Until that is understood and it is completely redone...FORGET IT.
I like the 'bounty' idea mentioned above. Perhaps with some slight tuning it might be actionable.
But first a system of accountability MUST be put into place.
People enter the USA and then disappear. Even if they get arrested...they disappear again. This must be stopped.
If this is not done...NOTHING WILL CHANGE.
Aliens/Immigrants must be required to report to local agencies. They MUST be held accountable for doing this with penalties up to and including jail time and deportation.
Other countries do this. WHY NOT THE USA?
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posted on
10/12/2009 12:18:52 AM PDT
by
Tainan
(Cogito, ergo conservatus)
To: Steelfish
Visa, schmisa. Why do we allow anyone to enter this country with any one of these names on a visa, drivers license, library card, dog tag, credit card, tattoo, underwear label, etc:
Hosam Maher Husein Smadi
I can not believe we have a need for people with similar names in this country.
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posted on
10/12/2009 12:30:46 AM PDT
by
tdscpa
To: Steelfish
He77, there's a foreign national that overstayed his student visa at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. DC.
Why worry bout a few zillion central Americans?
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posted on
10/12/2009 1:26:20 AM PDT
by
rawcatslyentist
(Ifanationexpects tobe ignorantandfree,inastateofcivilization,itexpects whatneverwas andnever will be)
To: Steelfish
Is this like not closing out your flight plan?
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posted on
10/12/2009 1:39:01 AM PDT
by
Former War Criminal
(My senior Senator (who served in Vietnam) said so.)
To: Steelfish
obama’s fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LLS
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posted on
10/12/2009 3:24:59 AM PDT
by
LibLieSlayer
(hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
To: Tainan
It’s so easy to hide in America.
In the ‘80’s I was playing in a band for a living. I picked up a hitchhiker on a long drive to a gig. He was English, on a 6 month Visa, working and hitchhiking around America for fun. I talked him into hanging out with us for the night, for the free beer. Which lead to the next week, month.... He finally left the band, and America three years later. Being in a band is a pretty public lifestyle. Of course he looked like an Englishman, and spoke that way.
He told me when he finally left, he handed the agents his Visa upside down, and they quickly opened it and stamped it without ever checking the dates. WAY too easy.
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posted on
10/12/2009 3:47:19 AM PDT
by
Big Giant Head
(Running my computer bare naked for over a year with no infections at all.)
To: Steely Tom
BULLSH!T...They can trace me when I owe the IRS $100 in past due taxes...
To: Mister Muggles
Same gov't...different department.
Thats the one that does do the "bounty" thing.
See...it works!
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posted on
10/12/2009 4:17:33 AM PDT
by
Tainan
(Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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