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How Much Can You Really Learn With a Free Online Education? [MIT, CAL, etc. free online]
Popular Science ^ | Sept 2009 | Josh Dean

Posted on 09/18/2009 10:57:44 AM PDT by ZGuy

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To: ichabod1

I get more out of a class if I read the materials and consume and digest the knowledge at my own pace (which is usually faster than my counter-parts). That is NOT to say that I am faster than others, I just read and comprehend pretty fast.

Listening to long, boring lectures do nothing for me except help me go to sleep! Heck, even in high school I preferred to read ahead in the chapters so that I knew what the teacher was talking about when she/he was talking. Otherwise, I was just LOST!

And, I disagree, I get great feedback from the instructors online and I get lots of network/study time with other classmates over the internet. I am currently enrolled online via Odessa College. There are three of us who are all going for the OSHA degree and we have agreed that we will continue in the same courses to continue to grow our study group.

I think it is “to each his own” when it comes to learning. My wife needs to be physically shown how to do something about three times and then she can do it over and over. If I don’t read the instructions FIRST, it will take me twice as long to figure out something when compared to if I am just shown the steps.


41 posted on 09/18/2009 12:19:49 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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To: rbg81
only if you have the discipline and self-motivation. Only a very few people do.

With motivation, an ordinary person can accomplish great things. Without it, a great person can accomplish only ordinary things. Online learning is missing the main classroom motivations: competition with peers, and social status for success. This could be added, but hasn't been yet.

Time is a limited resource, so why are people wasting time learning things they have no real intention of using or remembering long term? Some types of learning are for temporary use, but most education in college shouldn't be. A missing component to all education is refreshing what you've learned sufficiently throughout your life so that you can use it.

We need a website that is like an automated flash card system, that remembers everything that you've invested the time to learn, and scientifically polls you depending on your recall success. It should be more than just facts memory, but also exercise solving techniques. Competition and status are needed here too.

It's a waste of limited resources for people to learn things they aren't going to maintain. There's too much tourism going on in education.

42 posted on 09/18/2009 12:32:58 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: -YYZ-
OpenCourseWare programs have video and texts for all the beginning and remedial courses too IIRC.

It's pretty amazing stuff...almost as good as online crossword puzzles.;-)

43 posted on 09/18/2009 12:37:21 PM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (For good judgment ask...What would Obama do? Then do the opposite!)
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To: ZGuy

ping


44 posted on 09/18/2009 12:57:13 PM PDT by rpierce (We have taglines now? :)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
Yale has an excellent course on Ancient Greece at this site.

http://oyc.yale.edu/classics/introduction-to-ancient-greek-history/

45 posted on 09/18/2009 1:03:38 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine
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To: MikeWUSAF
"This is because there is no metric by which your studies and newfound knowledge can be measured. Degrees are conferred by the institution which means they reserve the right as to who they confer said degree."

Give it time to evolve. The next step will be for the rise of "accreditation institutes" who will offer testing to determine one's level of competence in a discipline (kind of like the "Professional Engineer's Exams" of today). You pass the test, you get the accreditation. These will probably first be done by the professional societies like the American Chemical Society, American Physics Society, and so forth.

46 posted on 09/18/2009 1:09:08 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog
You pass the test, you get the accreditation.

Traditional tests are expensive to give and score so they are only done at major mileposts, however internet technology changes all that. Rather than giving one time tests, earners should be required to maintain their competency on an ongoing basis to maintain their certification, at least at a minimal level. That certification would be worth much more than a one time dead tree certificate.

47 posted on 09/18/2009 1:27:59 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: ZGuy
Might I suggest Physics for Future Presidents, by Richard A. Muller. It is a lecture class, also available as a book. I have listened in to this lecture series twice, it is quite good. I recommend it to all Freepers who might want to know something about physics, even if you have no real background.
48 posted on 09/18/2009 1:35:28 PM PDT by Paradox (ObamaCare = Logan's Run ; There is no Sanctuary!)
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To: Reeses
"Traditional tests are expensive to give and score so they are only done at major mileposts, however internet technology changes all that."

I suspect that even with the leveling effect of the Internet, that such accreditation tests will still cost "something".

"Rather than giving one time tests, earners should be required to maintain their competency on an ongoing basis to maintain their certification, at least at a minimal level. That certification would be worth much more than a one time dead tree certificate."

I think such a minimum level would be very hard to define, and would be difficult for folks who are deeply specializing in a specific field to keep up. I think more likely that if you want to change to a different sub-field of your area of expertise, you'd just take a new test for that sub-specialty.

49 posted on 09/18/2009 2:27:37 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: ZGuy

I periodically get catalogs from The Great Courses (www.thegreatcourses.com) which are audio/video lectures from known lecturers. They’re on CD/DVD and aren’t terribly expensive. I’ve been tempted as there are lots of interesting ones- anyone ever try them?


50 posted on 09/18/2009 3:07:59 PM PDT by philled (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.-- GB Shaw)
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To: Reeses

My own opinion is that OCW (and sites like is) is more PR and advertsing than anything else. I have been on the site, and am less than impressed. There is good material there, but slides without the explanation (lecture) are one step above useless. They are starting to add the audio/video component, which is a HUGE improvement. However, it does not include the recitation or lab, which are crucial—especially in an area like computer science (which I teach). In order to be a computer scientist, you need to learn how to program (among other things). For this you have to roll up your sleeves and learn by doing. All the lecture in the world won’t make you a good programmer.

BTW—I don’t think there is any reason you can’t have competition with peers online. Certainly, we interact with peers online all the time. As for social status, an online degree from the right school is probably worth quite a bit. Many companies just care about if you can do the job or not. They will check for the degree, but if you’ve got a track record, they typically won’t fuss about the pedigree of your school.


51 posted on 09/18/2009 3:41:32 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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52 posted on 09/18/2009 6:40:49 PM PDT by FreeStateYank (I want my constitution and country back, now!)
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To: ZGuy

bflr


53 posted on 09/19/2009 8:54:14 AM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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