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Commander-in-Chief Clueless: Obama's Quagmire
Right Bias ^ | 9/8/2009 | Jeffrey Kuhner

Posted on 09/08/2009 8:47:02 AM PDT by IbJensen

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...America is engaged in futile nation-building. Mr. Obama, like President George W. Bush before him, believes Afghanistan must be transformed by erecting a strong central government, democracy and a modern economy.

While building a nation in Afghanistan, the current America-hating, communist administration is destroying this nation!

1 posted on 09/08/2009 8:47:04 AM PDT by IbJensen
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Giggity....


2 posted on 09/08/2009 8:48:41 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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July 16, 2008

Obama said. "I will make the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban the top priority that it should be. This is a war that we have to win."

Speaking at a town hall meeting in Albuquerque, McCain retorted:

"Sen. Obama will tell you we can't win in Afghanistan without losing in Iraq. In fact, he has it exactly backward. It is precisely the success of the surge in Iraq that shows us the way to succeed in Afghanistan.

3 posted on 09/08/2009 8:52:30 AM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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I think we lost sight of our goal even under Bush.

The goal was not to build a stable, democratic nation. It was to eliminate the ability of the taliban (and other terrorists) to use the country as a base of operations (including training.)

We should have learned from the Russians’ experience that the geography and culture of the country makes dominating it militarily difficult (to impossible.)

The type of victory Obama is pushing for can not be achieve (imho.) This is the same as what the Russians tried, and it failed.


4 posted on 09/08/2009 8:52:35 AM PDT by Brookhaven (http://theconservativehand.blogspot.com/)
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The US needs to sweep through the NW parts of Pakistan that are not really Pakistan (as admitted by Pakistan - “autonomous areas”), but under local control and root out Islam.


5 posted on 09/08/2009 8:53:57 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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Not going to happen.

Furthermore, how do you root out Islam in an area that is surrounded by Islam? Again, not going to happen.


6 posted on 09/08/2009 8:56:47 AM PDT by cranked
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Look to see who the American contractors in Afghanistan are. They are the ones making money. I would bet that many of them are friends of the Administration or members of Congress.

Remember, Robert E. Lee thought he could win the Civil War also.


7 posted on 09/08/2009 8:57:19 AM PDT by RC2 (Our Failure is Not an Option)
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No victory then.


8 posted on 09/08/2009 8:57:51 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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9 posted on 09/08/2009 8:58:38 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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America is losing the war in Afghanistan. Rather than change course, President Obama is sending 21,000 additional U.S. troops. This will bring the total to 68,000 American soldiers fighting in Afghanistan, bolstering coalition forces to 110,000. The troop surge, however, will not work.

Funny, but this reminds me of what I read two years ago about the surge in Iraq. Afghanistan is a different country, with different terrain and a different culture, but more troops can help IF we use them correctly. I just hope the Community-Organizer-in-Chief is willing to listen to lesser mortals, such as his generals, and that he has an advisor smart enough to tell him WHICH general to listen to.

10 posted on 09/08/2009 9:00:23 AM PDT by TurtleUp (I believe that America is good and that human life is good, so I'm a conservative.)
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Obama: Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk some more. The man is so far in over his head it is unbelievable. How could a man who has never run anything in his entire life expected to run the number one country in the world? Let’s just hope we survive the coming insanity as he finishes his (hopefully) one and only term.


11 posted on 09/08/2009 9:02:38 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable, and unambiguous clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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How could a man who has never run anything in his entire life expected to run the number one country in the world?

Come on...he was running his election campaign..-sarc

12 posted on 09/08/2009 9:04:35 AM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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Someone looking for me?


13 posted on 09/08/2009 9:06:26 AM PDT by GQuagmire
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1. Get Obama gone, clean away.
2. More and better intelligence.
3. Fewer large units on the ground while . . .
4. using more surgical strikes from the air (and saturation bombing if and when necessary) based on the better intellignece, and
5. more precise and meticulous special forces operations.
6. Don’t set any deadlines for stopping operations.
7. Keep going after them as long as it takes to keep their bases and trainning facilities cleaned out.
8. When we do strike, be merciless.


14 posted on 09/08/2009 9:08:25 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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This reads like something the left would have published about Iraq a couple of years back.

And it assumes that victory is optional.

The same general who turned the tide in Iraq is now leading the charge in Afghanistan, and he asked for more troops. I say we give them to him.

The Taliban doesn’t waste any time worrying whether or not they are in a quagmire. They just get up in the morning and do what they do. We need to do the same. We need to avoid putting an artificial timetable on it. This is bandit country; it will always be bandit country. The war is won when we’ve built an Afghan force capable of policing its own territory. Same as in Iraq.


15 posted on 09/08/2009 9:17:50 AM PDT by marron
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To: Brookhaven
I think we lost sight of our goal even under Bush.

The goal was not to build a stable, democratic nation. It was to eliminate the ability of the taliban (and other terrorists) to use the country as a base of operations (including training.)


Ding! Ding! Ding! You deserve a cigar!
16 posted on 09/08/2009 9:24:28 AM PDT by McKayopectate
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To: GQuagmire

Have you seen this?


17 posted on 09/08/2009 9:45:33 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Marking Time On The Government's Dime)
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The Taliban and al Qaida have an ally....he's in the White House.

Continuing to expend monies on Afghan 'nation building' and other assorted niceities will result in American's demise. Perhaps quicker than Obama's Deathcare program.

18 posted on 09/08/2009 9:53:16 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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I think we lost sight of our goal even under Bush.

I know you're right. What should have ensued after 9/11 would have been the immediate bombing of Saudi Oil fields, the destruction of Iraq's nuclear facilities and, just for the hell of it, Libya's 'presidential palace'.The order to begin exploration in our own land would have been immediately given and if the supply of oil would have a glitch....the American People would have understood.

Unfortunately, there was a weeks long lag after the butchery in New York. Nobody, outside of the inner circle, knew what was going to happen. Then, when the attack began, I knew that the wrong target had been selected.

I'm not a Bush hater, but I realize that he was either misguided, or he, himself, hadn't a clue as to which evil arab nation he should have dealt punishment.

19 posted on 09/08/2009 10:00:39 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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Our
Middle East enemies’ main strategy is to outlast us. That means we need to outlast them, which means that we need to remain permanently in the various hot spots using our brains and weapons to make life rough on the bad guys. The locations of the hot spots shift over time but we must be there. Otherwise we will be proven weaker than our enemies. Nation building, containing the enemy, fighting the war over there rather than in our own country, assuring access to necessities like petroleum — we can debate individual objectives but meanwhile we need to show courage and speak the enemy’s language. The world is watching.


20 posted on 09/08/2009 10:04:20 AM PDT by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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