Posted on 08/26/2009 5:11:05 AM PDT by Kaslin
The current information is that the vaccine is effective for at LEAST 5 years, and that there are no adverse long term effects so far.
Of course, for a doomsayer who lives and breathes on fear, uncertainty and doubt, no length of time will be enough. If there were data available for 20 years, you'd just ask, "What about in 25 or 30 years? WHAT THEN!!??"
The vaccine works.
Cancer is a horrible, horrible thing.
The chances of being harmed by the vaccine are miniscule when compared to the benefit.
Information from FDA and CDC on Gardasil and its Safety (Archived)
A few important facts:
1) Until regular PAP tests were instituted in the US, cervical cancer was the #1 cancer killer for women.
2) About 4,000 women still die from cervical cancer every year in the US.
3) Since Gardasil was approved in June 2006, there have been about 20 deaths related to the vaccine.
If you're spending hundreds of hours on this issue and you haven't even begun, you've got a hobby horse, not a medical practice.
The reason that my being an attorney who practiced in the med mal area is important because I know who all the bad actor doctors are in town. And I know most of the major issues in the vaccine controversy.
More importantly, my being an attorney means that I know you are misinformed (or worse) on the issue of liability of vaccine manufacturers. Georgia allows such suits. The opinion is quite recent, Chief Judge Barnes was one of the panel, but I think somebody else wrote it. So in that respect I am absolutely positive that you have no idea what you're talking about. (And no, I'm not going to get on LEXIS and pay money to get you a cite. Go find it yourself.)
And I still haven't heard any apology for your sweeping condemnation of pediatricians. I hope your kids' pediatrician never finds out what you think of him.
Pediatricians make the bulk of their money off of “well visits” for vaccines.
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Can you document this assertion. As the parent who worked closer to the kid’s schools and the doctor’s office, I spent an awful lot of time in the pediatrician’s office (3 kids).
Certainly it is just anecdotal, but that just doesn’t square with my experience.
Could you elaborate on this please? The CDC doesn't seem to know anything about a morning after pill for HPV.
At which Third World Med School? More like 100 at mine.
Most pediatricians and FPs make the narrowest of margins on vaccines.
It was my impression that HPV was treatable if caught early, which it presumably would be with a rape.
I never said it was. Why object to solving PART of the problem effectively?
Cervical cancer has EXCELLENT outcomes with early detection.
Yes, but not as good as with prevention. And there can be a big IF involved with detection. Again, why object to prevention?
Of the 4000 women who die from it each year, over 50% of them have NEVER had a Pap smear. Of the remaining percent, there's no data... so we don't know if it's been 2 years, 4 years, 20 years since their last test.
OK, so those women who didn't get a PAP smear should just be left to die? What's your point?
The mortality from this disease gets lower and lower each year.
AGAIN, why object to prevention? Why impede something that PREVENTS the disease instead of just improving the survival?
Fully 85% of women contract HPV asymptomatically and clear it from their bodies with no intervention.
True, but those aren't the ones we're talking about, are they? This is meaningless information.
...a vaccine that is poorly tested,
Poorly tested, according to whom? That's quite an accusation. How SHOULD Gardasil have been tested?
...has serious side effects...
Serious, compared to what, exactly?
Any medication CAN have serious side-effects. It depends on the person. Your statement by itself is meaningless.
Out of over 16 MILLION doses distributed, there have been less than 10,000 (that's less than 1/10th of 1%) reported problems of ANY KIND. Of those reported problems, 6% were serious (that's 0.004% rate of serious problems overall) and there were 20 deaths.
16 MILLION doses since 2006, fewer than 10,000 problems, fewer than 600 serious problems, 20 deaths.
...is not tested for carcinogenic, mutagenic, or reproductive effects...
Is there any indication that such testing is warranted? There have been no indications that there are problems in those areas.
...has short-lived and somewhat dubious efficacy...
Evidence? There is NO evidence to support this claim. You're just making stuff up now.
Tests have shown NO decrease in efficacy over time so far. None.
... for a VERY remote chance of a very treatable cancer?
Define "very remote". The chance of contracting the cancer is much higher than the chance of an adverse effect from the vaccine. That's the comparison that really matters.
And why the preference for treatment over prevention???
Do you really intend to tell your daughter and mine that you'd rather they contract the cancer since it's "very treatable"?
I prefer prevention over treatment.
The seatbelt analogy is poor. Does a seatbelt inject you with toxins, adjuvants, and animal DNA? Does putting on a seatbelt cause seizures, fainting, birth defects, and cancer?
Oh stop the absurd scare tactics already! You sound like a liberal malpractice lawyer.
My comparison with seatbelts is quite applicable.
You have a greater chance of being struck by lightning than for your daughter to be harmed by this vaccine. Paranoid "what ifs" lead to poor decisions.
It’s undetectable until it has already infected the tissues. The only effective treatments are topical used against visible lesions (condylomas) which occur weeks to months after infection. Even destroying visible lesions doesn’t eradicate the infection. It can still cause malignant changes or more lesions.
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some interesting data
In some ways, I can understand why they have started their campaign with such young children. I've seen 11-12 yr olds come into the clinic pregnant. :( Additionally, getting some parents to bring their kids in for regular check ups can be more difficult as the kids get older. The clinic where I work cares for a lot of TNCARE/Medicaid kids so that's been my personal observance.
How are you going to prevent exposure through rape and marital sex?
They do purchase vaccines for the private insurance patients but they are reimbursed by the insurance company. A well child visit is 1x per year. A physician would probably make more money having to treat a patient who came down with one of those diseases than they would charging them $150 for an exam to test and administer preventative treatment. A sick visit is $80 just to walk in the door. Additional charges apply for breathing treatments, bloodwork, IV's, shots, hospitalization......
What are the side effects of the treatments and procedures used to treat cervical cancer? Biopsy, cryocautery, LEEP, hysterectomy, radiation, chemotherapy? How do the potential side effects and consequences of those treatments compare with the side effects from the vaccine?
Assuming the rape victim reports the rape and seeks medical treatment. That’s not always the case for many reasons.
Here are some cervical cancer facts from the 10,000 cases in this country in 2005:
1. About half the women had never OB/GYN.
2. Another 10% ahdn’t been to the OB/GYN in 5 years
3. The women in this country most at risk include:
—Older women, especially those older than 65.
—Women who are ethnic minorities, such as Hispanic and African American women.
—Low-income women, especially those who live in rural areas.
—Women aged 65 and older comprise 20% of all new cervical cancer cases and are 35% more likely to die of the disease versus younger women.
4. Smokers are about twice as likely to develop cervical cancer than nonsmokers.
HPV info:
The large majority of people cure themselves (usually without ever knowing that they had been infected). Average length of time from infection to cure is about 8 months. Most times, if low risk HPV is detected in a woman without symptoms, we would recommend only “watchful waiting” as treatment.
Early changes on the cervix which could lead to cancer are nearly always discovered on Pap tests.
ping...(Thanks, neverdem!)
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