Posted on 08/17/2009 9:23:55 AM PDT by Ari Bussel
Sadly, not even all Christian denominations get the same message about the Holy Land. Some represent prophetic talk about Israel’s far future as only figurative of Christians — they say that the literal Jews not just go on the back burner for an age, they go away entirely. It is not surprising that most of those are at best cool to Zionism. Others take the talk of St. Paul more literally and acknowledge not just a guaranteed future for the literal Jews, but a glorious future.
Obama is a leftist and a Wrightist. These “Christians” who are busy cursing America have twisted the bible to be chiefly about the black man. Given that, I wonder what tack Zero would take if Israel proposed to fill the disputed areas with Ethiopean Jews.
Those were different times. We overpaid for Manhattan at that time, and other lands weren't "taken". It wasn't theirs to begin with. there were no golden native cities, no constitution, no law, currency, national flags, coinage, borders. They were merely small tribes of nomadic savages who drifted across the land, killing and being killed. Recent liberalism has blurred the truth and created a myth that never existed. Treaties GAVE them land for free.
What’s the ethical thing for a power bent on colonization to do when entering a land peopled, as you put it, with nomads? Even though the nomads had no philosophical structure to support the idea of fixed lands with borders and definite owners (which is probably what brought them to the empty lands of America, wandering over what used to be a land bridge where the Bering Strait now is), we didn’t always live up to Christian principle ourselves.
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All those left will be reconciled to Christ On his day.
None question that all will end up believing. The point is whether a people entity that can literally trace its genealogy to the historic Jews will come to assume a historical chief world power by God’s promise. I see no reason to answer this question with anything but “yes.”
Did they? No. So it worked both ways didn't it.
"(which is probably what brought them to the empty lands of America, wandering over what used to be a land bridge where the Bering Strait now is),"
What makes you so sure it was empty, and that is the only route taken? And they all hail from a common ancestral tribe? Plus there is strong evidence vikings arrived on the eastern shores and the north through Hudson bay via the McKenzie river, and traveled south along the Nelson first.
Ah, the Bible says that doesn’t matter. To whom much is given, much is expected.
Well, I don't believe the bible says they will assume world power on this earth, but I have no reason to doubt that Christians today ARE descendants from those scattered tribes, and make no mistake, ALL tribes were scattered, the last were scattered by the Romans after Christs crucifixion.
Israel represents the Lords final battleground with Satan's corruption in the last days more than anything else. It represents the throne of God. All will be destroyed at this time.
"Now heaven, celebrate her downfall, and all you saints, apostles and prophets: God has given judgment for you against her. Then a powerful angel picked up a boulder like a great millstone, and as he hurled it into the sea, he said, 'That is how the great city of Babylon is going to be hurled down, never to be seen again." (Rv.18:20-21).
"After this I seemed to hear the great sound of a huge crowd in heaven, singing, 'Alleluia! Victory and glory and power to our God! He judges fairly, he punishes justly, and he has condemned the famous prostitute who corrupted the earth with her fornication; he has avenged his servants that she killed'.
Then a voice came from the throne; it said, 'praise our God, you servants of his and all who, great or small, revere him'. And I seemed to hear the voices of a huge crowd, like the sound of the ocean or the great roar of thunder, answering, 'Alleluia!
The reign of the Lord our God Almighty has begun; let us be glad and joyful and give praise to God, because this is the time for the marriage of the Lamb. His bride is ready, and she has been able to dress herself in dazzling white linen, because her linen is made of the good deeds of the saints.'
The angel said, 'Write this: Happy are those who are invited to the wedding feast of the Lamb', and he added, 'All the things you have written are true messages from God'.
Then I knelt at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, 'Don't do that: I am a servant just like you and all your brothers who are witnesses to Jesus. It is God that you must worship." (Rv.19:1-10).
"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; the first heaven and the first earth had disappeared now, and there was no longer any sea.
I saw the holy city, and the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, as beautiful as a bride all dressed for her husband.p Then I heard a loud voice call from the throne, 'You see this city? Here God lives among men. He will make his home among them; they shall be his people, and he, himself will be their God...There will be no more death, and no more mourning or sadness. The world of the past has gone.'
Then the One sitting on the throne spoke: 'Now I am making the whole of creation new' he said. 'Write this: that what I am saying is sure and will come true.' And then he said, 'It is already done." (Rv.21:4-5).
On the old earth that is.
The ultimate eternity is not “this world.” Sin won’t have been banished yet upon Israel’s literal ascension to power. Bible history shows that attempt upon attempt by heathens to “scatter” the Jewish lineage into oblivion fails. Why should the Roman conquests have been any different. It just sent them into hiding in more friendly surrounds, still stubbornly worshiping one God the way they knew prior to Christian revelation.
There is no Israel ascension to world power, at least, any more than it is now. It's at it's peak. It's all downhill from here, and much devastation. Only a remnant survives to to last day. This "gathering of nations" is metaphorical, symbolizing the armies of the world (Babylon)
Do you think that many didn't eventually end up in the land of the gentiles, and convert to Christianity?
The tribes that were scattered earlier obviously did- after Christianity spread throughout the "gentile" lands they were scattered to. It isn't to difficult to imagine some held onto the old Jewish religion as well, although not adopting the Talmadic reformation until it reached them. hundredss of years later.
brought to them by remnants of the last tribe that is.
There were Jews in the region prior to this to be sure, but those that came from Europe and wherever were not just remnants of the last tribe.
Also, it seems many of the last tribe scattered went into the middle east, not Europe, considering the large number of Jewish settlements that were there all across the ME and into the Arabian peninsula before Mohammad came along and started slaughtering them all, and driving them out.
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