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Ex-gay tries to educate nation’s largest teacher’s union
http://www.christianexaminer.com ^ | Jul 24, 2009‎ | by Lori Arnold

Posted on 07/28/2009 6:42:39 PM PDT by Maelstorm

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To: Wuli

Why do you wish not to acknowledge the fact that molestation and abuse do in many cases play a role in gender identity and homosexuality? Why such denial when there is so much evidence to the contrary?


21 posted on 07/28/2009 8:44:45 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Why are those who claim to have open minds so afraid of open debate?)
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To: Hillarys nightmare

Most certainly there is a conspiracy and it isn’t that they don’t make it into the mainstream media it is that they don’t make it into the mainstream conservative media that bothers me. I don’t expect the left to make our arguments for us but when the right isn’t even brave enough to debate any longer except on vacuous grounds in defense of marriage all the while allowing schools to be taken over with identity politics it makes me wonder who the real enemy is. Gay activism is no better than global warming. The premises behind both are just as flawed. The difference is that one doesn’t involve sex.


22 posted on 07/28/2009 8:48:42 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Why are those who claim to have open minds so afraid of open debate?)
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To: wintertime

Christians and conservatives who are silent is why the most vulnerable kids are being left to be taken in by a horrid lifestyle but it is to be expected because it isn’t just homosexuality, it is permissive sexuality in general, it is the idea of egotist wish fulfillment trumping all other values. It is a father who has great heterosexual sex with his wife and two wonderful boys but is indulged to believe that some how he isn’t complete till he can dress like a girl and have his penis reconstructed. It is crazy by even a secular standard but the silence continues. Just as the people remained cowardly in the face of the increasing slavery of a government grown too big. Will anyone stand up to slay the dragon?


23 posted on 07/28/2009 8:52:52 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Why are those who claim to have open minds so afraid of open debate?)
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To: Dutchboy88

I pray it isn’t too late.


24 posted on 07/28/2009 9:41:24 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: presently no screen name

What do these ‘believing Christians’ believe in?
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Money? Convenience? Who knows?

If you know of a “Christian” teacher who still has a job in the government schools, then they are cooperating with evil. If they had stood up against the godless evil, they would have been fired already.


25 posted on 07/28/2009 9:44:38 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: wintertime

It is never too late. We may or may not win but we can never surrender.


26 posted on 07/28/2009 9:45:13 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Why are those who claim to have open minds so afraid of open debate?)
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To: Maelstorm
Every gay male who has ever rendered an opinion to me about the subject admits to being molested or raped as a boy by an older man. My brother fits this mold.

“I was torn,” he said.

Hey, that's kinda funny.

27 posted on 07/29/2009 9:00:56 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns
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To: Maelstorm
"they don’t make it into the mainstream conservative media that bothers me."

So you've noticed it too? It's no wonder: The right has been made "Gun Shy", so to speak.

The left has beat them down on morality issues for so long, by labeling conservatives as "intolerant religious idiots", that we're afraid to say anything, lest we prove them correct.

I for one am not deterred no matter what they say.

28 posted on 07/29/2009 9:54:11 PM PDT by Hillarys nightmare (So Proud to be living in "Jesus Land" ! Don't you wish everyone did?)
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To: Maelstorm

I don’t deny that for some individuals, some pretty bad things, and their responses to them, played a role in their sexual life as adults and how they feel and believe about that life.

On the other hand, the preponderance of the majorities that went through similar experiences and did not obtain the same type of sexual life, says that there is more to it than just those experiences.


29 posted on 07/30/2009 1:17:43 PM PDT by Wuli
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