Aggressive, Coordinated Effort Led to F-22's Demise

Washington Post ^ | July 26, 2009 | By Ann Gerhart and Perry Bacon Jr.

[Jet Jaguar]

The Washing Post was it's biggest critic.

Attacking the F-22 with Yellow Journalism

[screaminsunshine]

TRAITORS!

[Jet Jaguar]

Attacking the F-22 with Yellow Journalism

http://www.f-16.net/news_article3621.html

Air Force Association Responds to WP F-22 Article

http://www.f-16.net/news_article3622.html

[bareford101]

double cowardly TRAITORS!!!!!

[Jet Jaguar]

Click the keyword “f22” for recent articles about the F-22 funding.

[ak267]

F15 vs SU47

Wanna make a bet????

[BatGuano]

McCain teaming up with the louse from Mich. makes me sick. He was a lousy candidate for President and look who won!

McCain and Obama both want us to abdicate our position as a world power. They are moving quickly to achieve that goal. A pox on them both!

[Terpfen]

... the more modern F-35 jet...

The F-35 is not more modern than the F-22. It is merely newer. The F-22 is more advanced than the F-35, especially in terms of stealth profile.

Leave it to the state-run media to not know the details of trifling things like firearms, fighter jets, and other assorted implements.

[David1]

Any chance the F-22 can be resurrected in conference?

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

and Gates is looking more like Cronkite every day...

[RonboTex]

With the current administration any social welfare handout is OK no matter how stupid or how expensive. Defense is out and seems to be about the only thing that is being cut.... well along with our intel gathering capabilities.

Although the F-22 may not be particularly useful in the WOT, what happens if we need to go up against Russia or China in the next few years. I believe both of these countries are spending increasingly big bucks on defense and up to date jets.

I said it before and I'll say it again: there is going to be a big national defense event where people are going to be unnecessarily killed as a direct result of Obozo policies. Let's pray that it's his and his cronies ultimate undoing.

[Red Steel]

The House passed the F-22 in their Defense Bill. It ain’t dead by a long shot WaPo.

Remember what your boy Jimmy Carter tried to do to the B-1 bomber in 1977? Jimmuh thought he killed the B-1 but Reagan brought it back. The same thing will eventually happen again for the F-22.

[Robert A Cook PE]

McCain, Gates, and their democrat “allies” in this?

Obama HATES Georgia, HATES the republicans in GA who are fighting him (fairly successfully, by the way) and whose districts the plane is being built, and so I can see his attacks. I cannot forgive him for his traitorous, inane responses and get-even pettiness, but I can understand Obama’s politics. The plane is for defense, and Obama wants to destroy the US ability to defend itself.

After all, Obama wants to waste (er, spend and stimulate) 1.3 trillion in cap-and-trade plus 700 billion in bank bailouts to democrat districts - so we KNOW why he refuses to spend 2.1 billion on real defense.

Gates? I can’ tell. Not sure we’d ever get a real answer.

McCain? Democrat power? Democrat influence?

[SJSAMPLE]

Actually, there are A LOT of things on the F-35 that are significantly more advanced than the F-22. No doubt about it.

But, the F-22 was built as a PURE fighter, so the design could be limited to a fairly well-defined scope. Speed, range, stealth with a high degree of maneuverability. Those things remained fairly constant throughout the design cycle, so it was able to survive repeated congressional and presidential interdictions.

The F-35, being a “strike fighter” will be truly multi-role, like the F-16. As such, a number of compromises were included for it to a) perform the role and b) sell as an export fighter. It isn’t the “Air Dominance Fighter” or even the dogfighter that the F-22 is, but it’s avionics and sensors are, without a doubt, “state of the art” (or “bleeding edge”, if you prefer).

The F-22 lacks a number of features that are already installed on some Gen $ and 4+ aircraft, including the F-16 and F-15 (and the Russian competition). Things such as JHMCS or HMDS systems. Not to mention the F-35s OETS targeting system and AN/AAQ-37 Distributed Aperature System.

Heck, the F-22 doesn’t even have the the required software updates to handle the most current AA ordnance. And the F-22 has been in the pipeline so long, they had to create a new version of the AIM-120 (D model) with clipped control surfaces so it could fit and launch.

This isn’t a knock against the F-22, because it’s been jerked around so long. It’s development started DECADES before the F-35. If the F-35 lags in certain areas of stealth, it’s because it’s always been offered as an “export fighter”, and that’s the one are where we want the technology to remain close to our vest pocket.

[zipper]

The F-22 is more advanced than the F-35, especially in terms of stealth profile.

But not the radar.

[OneWingedShark]

I would think that componentizing the systems and interconnecting them via FireWire [I read somewhere that the F22 uses FireWire] would have heped make the software end of things a lot easier. (As well as internal maintainability.)

Of course, if they were using Ada for their SW development it would probably help too. (Ada was designed/commissioned by the DoD is internationally standardized, and can [VERY easily] mirror the interface/component architecture of the FireWire HW architecture.)

[JasonC]

The government is entirely run by an openly treasonous communist party and you can ask this with a straight face? They've been salivating to gut defense for decades. The more it hurts US power in the world the happier they are about it. The only hurdle, as far as they are concerned, that ever stood in the way as some pork for congressmen. With a trillion in stimulus money to hand out of boondoggles, they can have that without any of that disgusting US military might.

[Terpfen]

The F-35, being a “strike fighter” will be truly multi-role, like the F-16. As such, a number of compromises were included for it to a) perform the role and b) sell as an export fighter. It isn’t the “Air Dominance Fighter” or even the dogfighter that the F-22 is, but it’s avionics and sensors are, without a doubt, “state of the art” (or “bleeding edge”, if you prefer).

You left out the other compromises, such as having insufficient armament capacity to allow it to function as ground support. There's also the matter of its excessive weight, which increases fuel consumption and therefore limits both operational range and time, harming its ability to operate from an aircraft carrier.

Also, one thing about your description of the F-22 as a "PURE fighter." This is wrong: it is not. The F-22 was built to avoid dogfights entirely. The concept behind the F-22 is simple: enter into an area and, using its combination of stealth and long-range radar, locate enemy air forces and pick them out of the sky before those enemy planes know that there are F-22s in the area. It is literally a weapons platform: it's a machine that goes up in the sky and snipes at other flying machines. If an F-22 ever gets into a dogfight, something went massively wrong. And while it is well-equipped to handle a dogfight, the entire concept behind the F-22 is to shoot down enemy planes without dogfighting.

The F-35 is a step down from the F-22 in terms of ability to achieve air supremacy, and is largely a step sideways from the various F-1x planes we use, such as the F-18 and F-16. I would call the F-35 a jack of all trades, but that doesn't adequately represent its inadequacy: it's really more like an eight of all trades.

[Terpfen]

The F-22’s radar is plenty sufficient to meet its mission objective.

[Terpfen]

Depends on what you think of this article.