Posted on 07/21/2009 2:33:29 PM PDT by Maigret
I wouldn’t say it’s not factual in that fetal tissue cells aren’t used in the production of vaccines. The post above mine just said they do a really good job of cleaning the fetal tissue out of the vaccine.
Would you like for one us anti-vacciners to tell you the OSHA limit for mercury and then tell you how high the concentrations are in some vaccines.
Better yet...why don’t all you brainiacs explain this government program to me:
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/
Since you have the link right at hand what do you need explained?
Your son didn’t get vaccines at birth? Mine sure did.
I hope this turns out to be wrong, too. My son has autoimmune diabetes and we have no family history.
I think that we’ll find out that the autoimmune diseases are caused by a combination of environmental factors, not one single culprit. (I do believe that there is an autoimmune component to autism as well.)
Worst case scenario - you and I find out that our kid are sick because we allowed them to be vaccinated with vaccines derived from aborted fetuses...
Honey, there is such a thing as innocence. If we did what we did with truly good intentions and had no idea that there was a problem when we did it, then we are innocent. For myself, I’ll say prayers for forgiveness and be honest with my kid about what went wrong. Then I’ll give my guilt to G-d.
I’ve been through this. I found out that my son was a Celiac just a few months before he became a diabetic. Now I know that there’s a connection between the diseases. Many speculate that preventing gluten consumption from an early age stops autoimmune diseases from developing in Celiacs. Well, I had no idea at the time. I didn’t have internet back then and I had no idea that someone could be allergic to *wheat* of all things. I’d never heard of the concept.
For years I flogged myself over the guilt that I’d fed my baby poison and made him sick. Finally, I had to let it go. I did what I though twas right and good with the information that I had at the time.
There is such a thing as G-d’s Will and sometimes you have to had to over to that. I don’t know why my young son has to suffer with his disease, but he does. If G-d didn’t will it, he wouldn’t have it.
Whatever the disease is that our children carry, *we* have to let the guilt go.
Because you distrust people and do not have an understanding of the sciences tends to lessen your verdict on the matter. Knowledge is not only useful it helps one sort out the chaff. Perhaps you are young enough to never have been through an epidemic of polio or measels or chicken pox. The devastation of such diseases is not easily described. Fact is that deaths have been eliminated and severely handicapped children due to the disease have also been eradicated ( the disabilities not the children). Correlation still is NOT causality.
Yup. I knew that going in I just thought I would try to add some factuality to the discussion. My bad -—lol
this was twenty years ago. I think the schedule then started them at 6 weeks.
The only vaccine given at birth now is Hep B. The others start at two months. If you have no risk factors for Hep B you can skip it. Staying in the hospital is a risk factor if you have a two patient room. Nothing like doing your own infection control 4 hours postpartum when you see drops of your roomie’s blood in the bathroom and you know she’s touched every surface you need to touch.
http://www.cispimmunize.org/IZSchedule_Childhood.pdf
I was drawing others attention to it since it needs to be read. Excellent.
Actually, the “child neglect” was the original “theory” when Autism was first described in the late 1930’s...they blamed “cold mothers’.
Since then,, however, they lean toward brain damage in the speech and recognition area of the brain.
But if you mean “ADD” or hyperactive kids, I agree: the severe cases often have “soft signs” of neurological damage but a lot of the are just active boys who need recess and time out...luckily my nephew’s school allowed him to do this, and my grandson was home schooled as an alternative.
I’m not talking about neglect. I’m talking about the bombardment of data to a developing brain. The quick flashes and constant changing input, with little interaction.
The average segment on Sesame Street is designed to switch every 47 seconds. Most children’s shows are being made on that model and MTV videos were the adult version for the Sesame Street generation. With synapses developing in small brains, it’s an area that we have not studied. How many homes constantly have a tv running? Maybe not even to amuse the child, but to amuse the parent? Children are natually drawn to commercials, IMO for the same reason.
Add to that, the VCR and DVD where the same sequence is run over and over at a whim. I’m not an anti-tv person, it really may have nothing to do with it, but you being a medical person and me, with a Psych background know that the brain is a wonderful and mysterious thing.
And the trend now is not to label kids “ADD” but “Austsm Spectrum” anyway.
ADD and Autism have completely different behaviors...about the only thing they have in common is brain damage, and the fact that some retarded children who are autistic are also hyperactive.
A true autistic doesn’t recognize people as people...they are cold emotionally and often need a very rigid environment to feel comfortable.
An ADD is hell on wheels, and often has sutle learning disabiities and mild incoordination but they are lovable.
Think “Rain Man” vs “Dennis the Menace”.
But I agree about the TV...and a lot of kids have behavior problems that are from not being with a stable caretaker (be it mom, grandmom, or the same babysitter all the time)...
>>A true autistic.....<<
And that, my FRiend is the difference. You are talking about the low end Autism patient. Many symptoms are or are mistaken for “High end Spectrum Autism”.
YOU and I know what is true Autism. Parents do not. School officials get cash for those labeled as such. So be it “Autism Spectrum”, PDD or “Asperger’s Spectrum”, the kids are labeled, the schools get their federal funds and the family is given some drugs to make the children pliable.
I see it here in my district. I personally know a girl who is quiet and prefers to read, but interacts with people she knows. The girl is labeled as “High Spectrum Asperger’s”. Luckily, the parent’s won’t medicate her. Another boy I know, is undisciplined, has great marks in school and needs a firm hand. His parent’s were talked into “Begindergarden”, so he is the largest boy in the class and is picked on in fourth grade. His parents tell me that he is “Autistic” because the school councilors said this. He has not been evaluated by a Psych and no IEP has been done. However this is accepted as fact by all concerned and the parents are going to a “school recommended Psychiatrist” this summer. You know where that will go.
As I said, I have a Psych background. I can see what is going on.
The point about tv is not the lack of caregiving but rather the bombardment of input on developing synapse.
Sigh...you are probably right about many school districts...which is why our family either puts the kids in Catholic or Christian schools, or home schools them...
Smart move all around.
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