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Humanity as the second orang-utan (Evos drop bombshell, human-chimp ancestry in question!!!)
Science Literature ^ | David Tyler

Posted on 07/18/2009 7:17:27 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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To: UCANSEE2

You are right, that would be tough to swallow, even for the evos. Think about it, each species would have to separately evolve into humans at about the same time via RANDOM MUTATIONS plus natural selection.


21 posted on 07/18/2009 8:17:20 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: UCANSEE2

No, because the chimpanzee and orangutan DNA had already diverged.

We’re not descended from either species. Rather, in the past, humans and chimpanzees and orangutans shared a common ancestor species. We share about 98 percent of our DNA, but that two percent is a whopper.


22 posted on 07/18/2009 8:17:27 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: GAB-1955

See link in reply #1


23 posted on 07/18/2009 8:18:51 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

That doesn’t affect my argument.


24 posted on 07/18/2009 8:23:55 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: GAB-1955
Rather, in the past, humans and chimpanzees and orangutans shared a common ancestor species.

OK. What was it?

25 posted on 07/18/2009 8:27:32 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: GodGunsGuts
via RANDOM MUTATIONS plus natural selection.

Then how do we explain why some creatures seem to undergo 'evolution' or random mutation/natural selection, and some don't?

26 posted on 07/18/2009 8:31:06 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: GAB-1955

Knocking DNA similarity from 98% all the way down to as low as 86% doesn’t affect your argument?


27 posted on 07/18/2009 8:32:33 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
when it comes to bones, this has always stuck in my craw...

at one time, Peking Man was the oldest known found and then the entire country of China was sealed off forever.

later along comes Leakey, but, China has remained sealed off and who is to say there aren't undiscovered surprises left unfound for not being allowed to search for them.

28 posted on 07/18/2009 8:38:18 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: UCANSEE2

One of the reasons why I’m a young earth creationist is because I don’t believe the evidence suggest any species have evolved via random mutation. As a YEC, I do acknowledge limited change within the boundary of the created kinds over time, but I have yet to see any evidence, other than evo-assumptions, that suggests that random mutation plus natural selection is capable of macroevolution.


29 posted on 07/18/2009 8:40:54 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

30 posted on 07/18/2009 8:42:06 PM PDT by Bean Counter ( Shovel ready...)
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To: UCANSEE2
There appear to be 14 different lines of modern humans (based on analysis of Mitochondrial DNA). 12 of the lines are found in Africa, and 2 are found in both Africa and the rest of the world.

(This was the San People news we had a few weeks back ~ well known all the way back to Niels Van Der Post's "Sands of the Khalihari" in fact).

At the same time various genes that appear to have popped up in East Asia and Western Europe have made their way back down the line into Africa.

People do get around don't they.

At this time in history all 14 lines of humans are members of the same species. Given enough time and genetic isolation its possible you could end up with 14 different species of modern humans.

The speculation concerning the Orangutangs has been around for most of a century. In fact, the "chimp thesis" wasn't all that well established until it was understood that the Bonobos were NOT the same species as the larger chimps (that tear your face off and eat your brains).

One variation on the human/chimp deal is the idea that modern chimps didn't arise out of the human/chimp milieu all at once but that genetic isolation was followed by cross-breeding, and then isolation and then more cross-breeding for several million years. This "blurred" distinctions, and also allowed for some back breeding with passing orangutangs ~ giving humans both chimp and orang relationships, without there being any strong chimp and orang relationships.

That idea is not new of course.

31 posted on 07/18/2009 8:43:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GodGunsGuts
Thanks for the link.

If the means of research can be controlled the results of the research can be controlled and this obvious bias in the choosing data certainly has been no secret within the Darwinist camp.

Like the defense of peppered moth fiasco, this cherry-picking of data is an example of the intellectual bankruptcy in The Temple of Darwinism.

32 posted on 07/18/2009 8:49:51 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

So much drama and so little science from the creationists.


33 posted on 07/18/2009 8:50:11 PM PDT by DaGman
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To: count-your-change

Speaking of the peppered moth...

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/07/peppered_moth_now_reverts_back.html#more


34 posted on 07/18/2009 8:55:31 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

With moth’s falling numbers the only explanation is that birds can see them better than when they used to be able to see the moths better.

Maybe the natural selection is for the eye sight of the birds since the numbers of moths has fallen by over half since the pollution has decreased.


35 posted on 07/18/2009 9:09:09 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


36 posted on 07/18/2009 9:30:29 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts; Pan_Yan
LOL....Oh, I see, so it was a compliment...of sourts.

I wouldn't take it that way and I'll bet she didn't either.

37 posted on 07/18/2009 9:35:28 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; GodGunsGuts

Nope. She was rather embarrased. She would agree that it is a funny story to tell later, though.


38 posted on 07/18/2009 9:40:41 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (The Constitution is my heritage. And it was written by white men wiser than you.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Is it possible some men evolved from African apes, and some from Orangutans?

There are no two groups of humans, no matter how isolated from each other for how ever long, that cannot intermarry and have children. In fact, we have been shown through our DNA that we are all descended from a single woman.

I know you do not mean anything derogatory by your question, but that belief was actually popular in the beginning of the 20th century in the Margret Sanger wing of Eugenics. The belief is able to promote an extraordinary amount of racism by promoting the belief that all humans are not created equal.

39 posted on 07/18/2009 10:05:14 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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