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Obama's hand over heart for Russian national anthem, not US?
americanthinker.com ^ | July 08, 2009 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 07/08/2009 1:25:38 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: AnAmericanMother
I said that 9 of 10 people haven't a stretch of 13 (13 half-steps, if you insist). That statement is entirely correct.

You talk about mezzos and contraltos. You're probably right about them. TRAINED voices, as opposed to ordinary people's voices. Fine. But THAT is not the point.

Virtually any American who can carry ANY tune can sing 'America, the Beautiful' or 'Columbia, the Gem of the Ocean', or even Lee Norwood's tune.

Francis Key's poem is remarkable, even to this day -- but to insist that the tune to which it has been set is even marginally acceptable as a national song, well, that's just bizarre.

No offense to you, of course.

61 posted on 07/08/2009 11:02:59 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: Chickensoup

Well I would sure hope so. Does anyone know where his right hand was during the playing of the U.S. National Anthem on this visit? But a more important question is, where is his Birth Certificate? And why can’t the American people see it?


62 posted on 07/08/2009 11:41:59 PM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: SAJ
I'm just talking about vocal range, which is true whether you're trained or not. Everybody has a vocal range even if they've never sung a note.

And I'm not a TRAINED singer per se, never studied voice, just an old choir singer. Folks we get that walk in off the street have an octave plus. Of course to some degree they're self-selected 'cause they're trying out for choir, but plenty of 'em can't actually sing.

But not because of lack of range, that's not the problem. Too much vibrato (in the women) poor tone (in the men) and inability to duplicate pitch are the major problems. And let's not even start on inability to read music . . . . thank goodness my parents made me take piano as a kid.

Just randomly riffling through the 1982 Hymnal, almost any traditional hymn is going to have a range of at least an octave, and usually more (I'm not talking about the pop trash that finds its way into just about every hymnal nowadays and seems to constitute most of the output of Oregon Catholic Press). "America" is over an octave, has the same range as "Jerusalem the Golden" which is imho the hardest thing to sing in the entire hymnal (come to think of it, both tunes have almost the same awkward leap).

If you don't like the tune, that's cool, but don't claim it's difficult to sing, because if you learn the trick it's easy. I think ballfield organists who double as accompanists for sopranos tend to pitch it too high for the average person - they always do for me!

63 posted on 07/09/2009 5:04:45 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: SAJ
I haven't heard Nat King Cole's version, but I think it's a strong possibility that he was just having a bad day, plus the usual problems with baritones getting pitched too high.

I think the reason so many people dislike the tune is that they've heard it butchered too often by pop singers who feel like they have to add notes that aren't there, slide around, mess with the tempo, indulge themselves with LOOONNNNNNG high notes, and so forth. Best rendition I ever heard was a small high school choir (about 10 people) who did it in parts for an Atlanta Braves game back in the 80s at the old stadium. Strict tempo, straight tone, no foolishness. Sounded great.

64 posted on 07/09/2009 5:21:54 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: SAJ

“Musically speaking” assumes some agreed upon formula beyond the ear of the beholder. You can have your formula, or who ever’s formula.


65 posted on 07/09/2009 7:25:15 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: Rodebrecht
Didn't mean to include the kids but I was furious the way they were used for their parent's pathetic agenda. What a slap on the face of the American folk. UGH!!
66 posted on 07/09/2009 7:30:38 AM PDT by RoseofTexas (sierra)
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To: mojitojoe

What was censored?


67 posted on 07/11/2009 6:20:52 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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