Posted on 07/05/2009 2:08:00 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
You’ve been reading the lies, slander, and distortions from ansel12, I see. You aren’t jealous that you don’t have your own personal stalker on FR, are you?
I’d really like to know what you consider a RINO to be though, really.
Is a RINO someone who prioritizes fiscal conservatism and smaller government over social and cultural issues?
Would you consider Ron Paul a RINO? What about Dick Armey?
Barry Goldwater?
Is there some particular litmus test you have for determining a RINO?
Do you think Republicans should run the most conservative candidate they can in every state regardless of the electorate, or the most conservative candidate that can win in every state? Would you rather have a liberal Democrat elected in a blue state if the only other option is one of these RINOs?
Negative noise?
It’s called a dose of reality.
Oooooh, “Big Guns”!
Haha, yeah, the sane FReepers have been battling the unappeasables, Keyesters, Hunterites, HuckaBots and other 2-percenters in general for years.
I’m pretty used to your “Big Guns.”
Does this mean more of your Cloward-Piven tactics of overwhelming all of my posts with responses from your cabal?
“lies, slander, and distortions from ansel12,”
It’s etiquette to ping somebody that you accuse.
That’s not my fight, but from what I’ve seen he merely quoted you in your support for Guilliani and Romney.
“Is a RINO someone who prioritizes fiscal conservatism and smaller government over social and cultural issues?”
A RINO to me is someone who attempts to claim to be Republican, yet they don’t support the core conservative principles of the Republican Party: This includes all three legs of the conservative movement, economic, social, and national security.
No, even a blue dog Democrat could do that.
A rino is a registered Republican who will put anything on the negotiating table to extend his stay in office.
The whole reason we are in this mess in the first place is because of RINOs like you who think the Republican party is just a big happy tent open for all you Moderates and Liberals to use for Socialist experiments.
Conservative principles have been discarded for Megan/John McCain RINO politics.
Your logic won't win wars, it only sets you up for accepting what ever they decide to give you. Your sole purpose is to stalk Palin threads and disrupt those who support Conservative values and principles for your illogical theories about what a “Republican” is.
That gives you the label of a TROLL. So enjoy it while you can. You earned it.
You misspelled half-assed.
No, he’s been digging up my past analysis of the 2008 GOP horserace going as far back as November 2004, and taking them out of context, misrepresenting things like how I said back then that I thought Romney and Giuliani were the people to watch emerge as prominent candidates in the field. He’s been on a 24/7 smear mission because he doesn’t like my assessment that Palin would ensure an 0bama reelection if she was the 2012 candidate.
So what about libertarian Republicans whose emphasis is on limiting the size and power of Government rather than social issues?
Are they RINOs by your definition?
What about Dick Cheney?
He supports gay unions. Is Dick Cheney a RINO now too?
“So what about libertarian Republicans whose emphasis is on limiting the size and power of Government rather than social issues? Are they RINOs by your definition? “
They’re not conservatives, they are libertarians.
“Is Dick Cheney a RINO now too?”
You won’t find too many people who consider Cheney a RINO. Do You?
Well you’ve got me all wrong there.
My concern is promoting articulate, intelligent charismatic conservatives who can develop common sense conservative policies and sell them to the American people. People like Mike Pence, Paul Ryan, and Jin DeMint.
The real reason why the GOP is in the mess it is in right now is because the party hasn’t had an articulate messenger or thinker since Newt Gingrich left 10 years ago. We’ve had no one advancing the cause intellectually. It’s been a vacuum. Instead, we’ve had a bunch of culture warriors who haven’t given a damn about fiscal restraint, and when they got kicked out of office, they left behind the biggest, most intrusive government in history.
It’s funny that all the big spenders like Bush and Tom DeLay who ran up the taxpayers’ tab never get called RINOs by people like you.
No, but Cheney is supportive of gay unions and even thinks it’s OK for states like Iowa to decide to legalize gay marriage.
That’s the sort of thing that could get a person labeled a RINO by most people who like to label people RINOs.
And then there’s Ronald Reagan, who signed abortion into law in my state back in the late 60s. Was Reagan a RINO too?
Mitt Romney’s a RINO because of a past position on abortion, even though he made it more restrictive in Massachusetts, not less.
So apparently, the label ‘RINO’ is really just used selectively to target anyone the user doesn’t like in the Republican party for whatever personal reasons that may be.
“we’ve had a bunch of culture warriors who haven’t given a damn about fiscal restraint, and when they got kicked out of office, they left behind the biggest, most intrusive government in history.”
To the contrary, the group of Republicans from 94 claimed both economic and social conservatism. So, there is no correllation between your opinion that it was social conservatives who ramped up spending.
Further, I’d say it goes to another level of descriptors. It was the Establishment/Country Clubbers who have directed the Party to the failure of accepting the DC culture of increased government spending and Political Correctness. This was capped off by a nominating process that favors liberal/moderate Republicans like John McCain.
We elected our moderate and we were stomped by an ineffectual and inexperienced candidate who is taking us down a long and serious road of socialism.
Thank you Establishment Republicans.
The issue now is that we have come so far down the road, that it's time for us to get the act together and pull America back.
“So apparently, the label ‘RINO’ is really just used selectively to target anyone the user doesn’t like in the Republican party for whatever personal reasons that may be.”
Faulty conclusion based on insupportable premises.
Now if you really really want to make tha case that Cheney and Reagan are RINOs, make it. But use the whole body of their political careers. Let’s try to remember where we were with that asswipe Carter and where Reagan led us.
I think the Establishment Rockefeller country-clubbers were also part of the problem. But you can’t blame McCain for the spending, at least.
The Class of ‘94 were both economically and socially conservative, yes. But they ran on spending and ethics almost exclusively. Not on social issues.
But the Gingrich Revolution isn’t at fault.
It’s the people since he left left.
It’s the people that Bush brought in.
While Gingrich’s people were both fiscally and socially conservative, Bush’s people were just socially conservative.
They don’t have to be either or, but in this case, they happened to be.
I don’t have a problem with social conservatism. I support socially conservative issues when they come up, like Proposition 8 when it was on the ballot here. What I have a problem with is putting all the emphasis on it, at the expense of everything else. We’ve got a lot of people now running around so concerned with these cultural issues, meanwhile they’re letting the Left destroy the middle class, seize private industry, turn our backs on our allies while embracing our enemies, and turn America into a socialist nation. Now tell me, where should our top priorities be right now?
Well, isn’t what you’re asking for similar to keeping my past statements in the context of the discussion they were made?
See, a lot of overblown accusations can be made when you don’t...
The issue now is that we have come so far down the road, that it's time for us to get the act together and pull America back.I agree.
A lot of people think we need to emphasis culture wars more, become more socially conservative, more small-town in our focus, champion people like Sarah Palin over people like Mike Pence and Paul Ryan, mix more religion with politics.
I disagree. I think we should get back to the Gingrich Revolution instead. Make it about common sense solutions, become the party of ideas again, get mainstream, articulate happy warriors who can take the message of fiscal responsibility to a public hungry for restraint and sanity in Washington.
But for this, I have attracted a small group of stalkers who jump on every thread I post in to call me a ‘troll’ and a ‘RINO’. I can't help what they do. But it says more of them than it does me.
Punch, I believe that the mistake you are making is that you think just because a person happens to be a social conservative that they are not a fiscal/economic conservative.
I can tell you that I have met almost no rank and file Republicans who are social conservatives and not at the same time, economic conservatives.
You problem on this site, and you are free to do what you will, is that you seem to be preoccupied with making social conservatives the enemy. As a matter of fact, why am I and others, labeled as social conservatives only? My take is that this is a misperception that has been created by the media with their overemphasis on demonizing social conservtives and people of faith.
If a politician has strong Pro Life convictions, the media automatically attempts to label them, as if their low tax and property ownership beliefs don’t matter.
You could accomplish alot more by explaining your beliefs as to why the economic issues are a priority to you, than ostracizing social conservatives who probably agree with you on economic matters.
jmo and just a thought.
No idea, never been there
I’d rather not see her in the Senate. That’s nothing more .than a cesspool of corrupt, morally compromised, self-serving blowhards. She’s too good for them. Traveling throughout the country, articulating the conservative vision for America and supporting conservative candidates would be a great role for her. As for running for President, there’s no need to hurry. As she’s only 45, she can conceivably hold off for another 15 years if she wants.
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