Lawmakers Battle Health Care Reform Plan [McCain says biggest issue is cost]

KRIV Fox 26 Houston, Tex. ^ | 2009-06-30

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[television is just wrong]

most countries with socialized medicine have a 50% tax rate. and yes for everyone not just the ‘rich.’

[pissant]

No, the larger issue is principle, McStain.

[EGPWS]

McCain's ideas for reform include a five thousand dollar refundable tax credit for all American families, as well as the ability to cross state lines for medical care.

Alas, still a smidgen lesser via the two evils...

[DManA]

As usual Juan doesn’t get it. The biggest issue is the cost to our FREEDOM.

[EGPWS]

The biggest issue is the cost to our FREEDOM

Only to us who are losing them.

[icwhatudo]

Biggest issue is cost? COST???

What an idiot. The socialists are taking over and all he worries about is the what it costs.

[what's up]

I don't trust McCain on cap and trade, but he MAY be an asset on healthcare.

We'll see.

[brytlea]

You know, I was thinking. Americans can’t all afford good legal representation. I wonder if we can get the Congress to enact legislation guaranteeing every American free or cheap (and good) legal representation? I mean, lawyers make to much money, and the system is a mess... I’m just sayin’.

[rabscuttle385]

I don’t trust McCain on anything. The same with Romney. Both of them are snakes and jackals who will side with the statist enemy at a moment’s notice.

[okie01]

I don't trust McCain on cap and trade, but he MAY be an asset on healthcare.

Recall that, in the last campaign, McCain was the first to call for the taxation of health care benefits.

A lot of help he's likely to be...

[what's up]

Yes, but McCain's taxation idea involves a $5,000 tax CREDIT for individuals.

That is, individuals who want to opt out of employer-based insurance get a tax credit.

Thus, many many more individuals will go shopping for their own insurance opening up all kinds of markets. What happens then? Prices go DOWN.

[rabscuttle385]

Yes, but McCain's taxation idea involves a $5,000 tax CREDIT for individuals.

Paid for...with what?

The Government sure as hell isn't going to reduce its other spending.

McCain's plan just makes the tax code even more convoluted than it already is.

[what's up]

Paid for...with what?

Businesses can no longer take deductibles for providing health insurance for employees. The money gets recycled to individuals who will then have control over their own decisions.

And health costs go DOWN as a result.

[okie01]

McCain's ideas for reform include a five thousand dollar refundable tax credit for all American families, as well as the ability to cross state lines for medical care.

So McCain's plan would graciously allow us to cross state lines for medical care.

What else will it graciously allow us to do. Choose our own doctor? Choose our own insurance carrier and plan? Choose whether we want insurance or not? Or whether we want treatment or not?

If the McCain plan would throw us the bone to allow for crossing state lines for medical care, it sounds like the rest of the plan amounts to "do what I say".

[what's up]

What else will it graciously allow us to do. Choose our own doctor? Choose our own insurance carrier and plan?

As far as I understand the plan you can do whatever you want with the $5,000...as long as you use it for insurance.

[rabscuttle385]

Businesses can no longer take deductibles for providing health insurance for employees. The money gets recycled to individuals who will then have control over their own decisions.

And either way, you still have the Government in the middle, redistributing funds in the form of taxes owed and tax credits paid. In other words, the Government still maintains control over the entire process and can use the tax credit as a "carrot" in order to coerce individuals and households to submit to the "stick." Furthermore, as we have already seen with Social Security -- a social programs that it ought not to be involved in to begin with --, the Government is prone to breaking its promises and using taxes collected for unrelated purposes, in violation of its fiduciary duties to individuals and households.

[okie01]

Why not simply allow the same kind of tax deduction to individual health insurance plans as is afforded to employer-based insurance plans?

It would have the same effect -- expanding the market for health insurance -- but give employers no cause to drop their current plan (which a tax credit would do).

Why complicate it any further? Why give the government any more control? Which, believe me, is what the parasites are after.

[rabscuttle385]

As far as I understand the plan you can do whatever you want with the $5,000...as long as you use it for insurance.

Sure, just like you can do whatever you want with federal "aid" for higher education...as long as you use it to pay the costs of the education.

Costs for higher education skyrocketed after the Feds stuck their paws in, of course, with noble intent. Actually, whenever the Feds get involved in something, costs usually go up. Why should health care be any different?