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Posted on 06/25/2009 12:17:11 PM PDT by MaestroLC
Just wait till the landfills start filling up with old lithium batteries.
Not to mention elecxtric motors produce ozone, which IS a greenhouse gas.
Lithium? More like some kind of chemically altered nickle. Never mind the landfills, look at what manufacturing those batteries does to the environment from the nickle mines to battery plant pollution.
Captain Obvious please...
how many years has FR been saying this? Jeez.
Duh. It is hard to believe has stupid people can be.
But it feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeels good.And, THAT’S what is really important here.
(Oops, sorry. Didn't mean to be sarcastic. Much.)
Wait a minute. Gasoline and everything made from oil is bad, now the electric cars that the libbies demanded be produced to prevent pollution are bad. The EPA has deemed animal gas-passing to be pollution.
So, we can’t drive any type of automobile and riding horses won’t work because they, well, they might fart. I guess we’re down to riding bicycles or walking but only on days that we don’t consume beans (so as to not add to the pollution our ownselves!). Anybody have any idea how those truckers are going to haul stuff without their trucks? Better be investing in steroid stocks ‘cause those guys are gonna have to bulk up to pull those loads!
Exactly.
And then, after we put in a fee for all mileage travelled, people will drive less.
MA has already floated this idea, and I’ve heard that other states are also thinking the same thing.
Say, 5 cents a mile to start with for every mile driven.
Gonna have to account for the revenue drop from less gas usage.
Lithium is valuable just like lead, it will not be landfilled, it will be reused.
I would be very happy driving a car indirectly powered by domestic coal rather than imported oil!
Bring on the electric cars!
Every cure a new curse.
Don’t worry - the Planners have everything under control.
That alone sells me, I could care less about their environmental impact. Hell I have a V12 BMW I call my “little carbon footprint”...
Electric cars, combined with increased use of nukes for public power, is an excellent idea.
The concern about “greenhouse gases” is misplaced, but the concern about emissions in general is reasonable. The fact that modern power plants hardly pollute at all is the reason that the luddites have had to move the goal-post, but they are going to complain no matter what any of us do or don’t do, so they should be ignored. After promoting solar and wind energy for decades, they are suddenly against both. Now, as in this article, after promoting electric transportation for decades, they are suddenly going to discover that this is bad also.
Luddites suffer from a mental disorder. You can treat these people with kindness especially if you’re related to them, but never, and I mean never, let them enter a voting booth under any circumstance. Never elect them into higher office. Never trust them with anything more than pocket change.
Which, by itself, would decrease greenhouse gas emission, without switching cars, of course.
Actually it's worse then that. Modern steam power plants consume about 7% to 10% of the generated power internal to the plant to power all the pumps, fans, and fuel processing machinery needed to run the plant. You lose energy in transmission from the power plant to your home. Utilities estimate that about 20% is lost to resistance in the transmission lines and the various step and step down transformers along the way. You also lose energy when you convert it to "chemical storage" by charging the car's batteries, regardless of the technology involved. (Some are better and some are worse, with "better" generally costing a lot more!) When you go out for a spin you loose more energy in converting the chemical potential back to electricity. And then of course there is the loss at the electric motor converting the electricity to torque and speed.
Every time energy is "converted" from one form to another, there is a loss because real world devices are not 100% efficient, as a matter of fact some devices are remarkably inefficient and the more of them you stack together the worse the overall efficiency becomes. The overall efficiency being the product of multiplying all of the subordinate efficiencies together. To overcome this it is necessary to burn even more coal to make up for all the losses. You would be further ahead if you had a steam car and burned the coal in a boiler to propel the car.
Also unspoken is the cost of maintaining the storage batteries. All storage batteries have a finite number of charge/discharge cycles before they need replacement. That is a result of the electrochemical reaction that first stores and then recovers electrical energy not being 100% reversible.
Clean energy, green energy, pipe dream...
Regards,
GtG
Reducing our cars, our mobility, our level of production, our level of comfort, and our freedom.
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