Posted on 06/24/2009 8:04:24 AM PDT by metmom
I wonder if older people having the pneumonia vaccine has something to do with younger people being affected by this more.
I don’t know. I hear it’s viral pneumonia that’s getting them. The vaccine is for bacterial pneumonia.
Well I guess that’s not it then. Darn
Wish there was something besides the dreaded vaccine coming. The last one killed people which make me very hesitant to get it.
It’s a kind of damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario.
I don’t have any answers. I wish I did.
I’m not too worried about me and mr. mm but our kids are just around the 20-ish age and I’m not so sure about them.
“You might be sitting at the end of August faced with the decision to do this,” Treanor tells WebMD. “If we wait, we can’t do vaccination until November. If the pandemic flu follows the seasonal-flu pattern with the bulk of activity in January through March, fine. But if we see this second wave coming in September, we might be faced with the decision to do vaccinations without clinical data.”
An HHS advisory committee on July 17 strongly recommended that Sebelius give the green light to vaccine production by Aug. 15 — before safety and dosing tests are finished. That would mean 60 to 80 million vaccine doses could be ready by Sept. 15.
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Vaccinations without any clinical data makes me very uneasy and is probably the best reason I won’t be getting one. I can almost hear the media in their panicky voices telling us that we HAVE TO GET VACCINATED!
Even with clinical data, I’d be wary.
It’s cytokine storm....same as 1918. Get your cod liver oil!
There was a thread that told that the best thing for the cytokine storm was a lot of Vit D, Ibuprofen, Benadryl, and IIRC, Zantec (sp?)
It’s anti-histamines and Ibuprofen to regulate the prostaglandin production.
Anti-inflammatory Treatment for Swine Flu
Cytokine storms associated with sepsis and ARDS have been treated by forcing progression of the inflammatory process into its recovery phase. Some of the most effective approaches use recognizable anti-inflammatory compounds: aspirin, omega-3 fatty acids (fish oil) and curcumin (turmeric).
Read more: http://diseases-viruses.suite101.com/article.cfm/swine_flu_cytokine_storm_cures#ixzz0LtJnosPn
UK:
Call to close schools to curb flu
Page last updated at 03:47 GMT, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 04:47 UK
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8160314.stm
Russia Warns Against Travel to Spain Due to Swine Flu
21/Jul/09
MOSCOW – The head of Russia’s Epidemiological Service warned Russians against traveling to Spain since new cases of swine flu continue to appear.
“I have had to warn, to the displeasure of the (Russian) foreign minister and of Spaniards, that we continue to be concerned about Spain. Unfortunately, my worst forecasts have been confirmed,” Gennadi Onishchenko told a press conference.
He said that of the nine cases registered officially in Russia, three are people who had been in Spain, while another five who returned from that country are under observation.
“I believe that with these figures no more need be said, nor is it necessary to keep on asking people not to travel to Spain,” Onishchenko said, noting that Spain is one of the 10 countries most visited by Russians.
He also called attention to the situation in China, where besides cases of swine flu, “the H5N1 (avian-flu) virus continues to spread.”
“This could lead to an accumulative effect as a result of the convergence of these two strains,” he said.
A month ago Onishchenko said he saw no danger in Russians traveling to the Mediterranean coast of Spain, though on that occasion he recommended avoiding Madrid due to the number of contagions of the AH1N1 flu virus there.
Three Spanish health experts at the beginning of June held consultations with Onishchenko in Moscow on cooperation in matters of disease prevention.
In May, Russia’s chief health official for the first time warned Russian citizens not to travel to Spain, a recommendation that nonetheless was not supported by Russia’s foreign or health ministries.
In any case, Russian authorities have imposed health-control measures on passengers coming from Spain in order to detect possible cases of swine flu.
The United States and Mexico account for the vast majority of the roughly 440 swine-flu deaths worldwide since the outbreak began in April.
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=339627&CategoryId=12395
Swine flu vaccine will need compensation rules: Expert
No plans here to aid those injured from the immunization
By Sharon Kirkey, Canwest News Service
July 21, 2009
A leading public health expert is calling on Canada to create a no-fault compensation program for people who may be harmed by a swine flu vaccine that millions of Canadians will be urged by the government to get this fall.
Kumanan Wilson, Canada research chair in public health at the University of Ottawa, said in an interview with Canwest News Service that children and adults could be exposed to an incompletely tested vaccine and that a compensation scheme is needed to encourage the public to buy into any mass immunization program.
When the World Health Organization last month proclaimed swine flu the first pandemic since 1968, Canada’s chief public health officer, David Butler-Jones, said everyone should get the new flu shot when it becomes available.
“The more people that have immunity, the easier it is to stop,” he said.
But Canwest News Service has learned that, unlike the United States, the Public Health Agency of Canada has no plans to compensate people who may be injured by an H1N1 vaccine.
A vaccine injury program would give people who suffer an adverse reaction faster access to compensation without having to go through the legal system. Quebec is the only jurisdiction in Canada that has a non-fault compensation program.
Public Health Agency of Canada officials acknowledged last week there won’t be time for a swine flu vaccine to go through standard safety testing before immunizations begin in the fall. The first doses are expected to be available in three to four months. Officials said they are working with regulators on ways to reduce any time required for getting the vaccine out. Canada could invoke emergency provisions to get the vaccine out quicker, before all the data from human trials that test safety are complete.
That happened in 1976, when an outbreak of swine flu at the Fort Dix army base in New Jersey spawned a nationwide emergency vaccination program. Manufacturers wanted legal protection against vaccine-related injury claims, so Congress enacted legislation allowing people to sue the federal government. About 45 million Americans were vaccinated. Reports soon emerged of unusually high rates of Guillain-Barre syndrome, a rare, neurological disorder that can cause temporary paralysis. More than 5,000 people sued for vaccine-related injuries, resulting in payouts totalling $73 million. In the 1980s, the U.S. introduced no-fault compensation for all vaccines.
“I’m not saying we shouldn’t roll out this vaccine (against H1N1 influenza),” said Wilson, an expert in pandemic planning.
“I don’t know how confident we will be in its efficacy and safety at the outset, but I don’t think we’ll have any choice but to roll it out, because, at this point, the only way to control the spread is going to be a vaccine.”
But “there are going to be concerns about people not wanting to take the vaccine, health-care workers in particular,” he said.
“We have been arguing that it needs to be complemented with a no-fault compensation program, just like in 1976, and we need to develop systems to pick up these adverse events.”
Meanwhile, some First Nations leaders argued Monday that aboriginal people should be a top priority for swine flu immunization when a vaccine is ready.
As the Assembly of First Nations meets in Calgary this week to elect a new national chief, the organization is also expected to turn its attention to H1N1 influenza and preparing for the fall flu season.
“There has to be some priority given to our First Nations people (for vaccination),” said Angus Toulouse, Ontario regional chief for the Assembly of First Nations.
“There’s data one could use to say First Nations are more at risk.”
Plan now: Report
Canadian companies and organizations are being urged in a new report to consider the swine flu pandemic as a “business continuity crisis” and to put response plans in place now, before the fall flu season arrives. The Conference Board of Canada report released Monday examines the actions some organizations have already taken and provides advice on what should be included in pandemic response plans.
Many businesses in Canada developed plans following the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) outbreak in 2002 and the avian flu. Those plans are now being tested and companies are determining how they can be applied to the swine flu pandemic.
http://www.canada.com/Swine+vaccine+will+need+compensation+rules+Expert/1811716/story.html
Flu death toll at 700, school closures an option-WHO
death toll rises to 700 from previous 429
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSLL47029320090721
Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:51am EDT
GENEVA, July 21 (Reuters) - The H1N1 virus has killed more than 700 people worldwide since emerging in April, and countries could consider closing schools to slow its spread, the World Health Organisation (WHO) said on Tuesday.The WHO, whose previous death toll was 429 two weeks ago, also said it was up to national health authorities to decide what measures they impose to slow the spread of the new strain.
Usually there is a thread that monitors epidemics. There were some quite good ones tracking the Ebola outbreaks in 2007.
Is there a master thread tracking the H1N1 flu pandemic? If there is, I can’t find it via search.
Death is the ultimate stop loss. One cure for global warming is for 20% of the world’s population to die, even if warming isn’t the issue.
A 20 percent decline in World population would also do a lot to fix healthcare.
I don’t buy EITHER of these arguments, but I’m already aware of others in government that do.
I think that so far this is it.
If you read through DVDMOM’s posts, it pretty much seems to be doing that here.
What some of those morons don’t figure is that 20% could include 20% of healthcare workers, which would have no effect in medical care.
It might free up more medical equipment, but without the workers to staff them, what good are they? Medical equipment doesn’t run itself.
We’ve been posting new swine flu articles to this thread . Also Freeper Smokin’ Joe does the freeper avian / swine flu ping. If you like to be added to the list just Freep Mail Smokin’ Joe or let me know . Thanks :)
Please add me.
Better news on these threads than anywhere else, especially on outbreaks.
Smokin’ Joe Please add Freeper RinaseaofD to the avian ping list . Thanks :)
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