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Posted on 06/22/2009 10:59:25 PM PDT by neverdem
Besides, The feds do have the right to control illegal drug flow into and within the USA because the borders are their jurisdiction, and that extends into each and every state whether or not they have a international border.
Let me remind you as to what the Constitution is: It is the law of the land.
“The Ninth Amendment declares that just because certain rights are not mentioned in the Constitution does not mean that they do not exist. Courts may not infer from the silence of the Constitution that an unlisted right is unavailable to protect individuals from the government.”
What does that mean!?!? It means gay marriage is ok, drugs are fine, the right to own a nuclear weapon is ok, etc. The ONLY rights not allowed are those taken away by the states.
Jeez. Is it so hard to take the time, once a year, and read what the laws are of this country!?!? The STATES have all of the rights. The fact that we walked away from this document is why I want to start again. Shall we make the whole thing amenable by fiat? Let’s see, how about we take away your right to free speech and your right to guns?
Sounds cool, let’s snag amendments #1 & 2 and call them null and void. How about we also snag #5 and 8? (i’ll pause while you go and read what those refer to).
Is this what you are willing to give? The Founders hated the BOR because it IMPLIED rights. They never wanted rights enumerated because it said that there were other rights which you did not have which was against everything they stood for. At least read the Federalist Papers if nothing else.
No, I actually don't use drugs. I give a damn about a Constitution which is obvious you don't read and/or don't care about.
Who’s says conservatives aren’t nanny staters? The WoD has done nothing but give us a militarized police, no-knock entries, dead innocents, millions of ruined lives and billions in prisons. And it’s not like any of it works to reduce drug use or demand. Our 4th amendment rights are in tatters. This is like prohibition and its time it ended.
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So, I take it you will concede that a person who grows and consumes their own drugs on US soil is perfectly ok?
Pot smoking is also not just illegal, it's unhealthy as well. So you not only have the BATF telling you recreational drugs are illegal, but the FDA telling you that they are harmful, pot smoking being worse in fact than smoking cigarettes, aside from the mental problems it causes. (and it also causes people to get fat, and you don't like fat people)
No, because it is illegal. Period. Plus Nobody will grow and consume their own drugs, they will sell it to others. Plus remain a burden to society by being an unproductive pothead, a recluse, and end up on welfare sooner or later.
Basic statistics. I’ll try and break it down for you.
r2 implies correlation. Hence, if I find a ‘positive’ r2 it implies a direct correlation. A ‘negative’ r2 implies an inverse correlation.
Prisoners consuming pickles and who are also sociopaths, if measured, will probably result in a ‘positive’ r2 or a ‘positive correlation’. A reason why eating pickles results in sociopathic behavior.
If we take society as a whole, a lot of the guards at SuperMax have used pot. They have also probably eaten pickles. Now, let’s view this and say that pot may not lead to sociopathic behavior and that eating pickles will NOT result in sociopathic behavior. Hmmmmmmmmmm, perhaps sociopathic behavior may not be caused by eating pickles or smoking pot.
Lots of stat tutorials on line. Simple stuff if you spend a small amount of time trying to understand studies and what an r2 means.
Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
What gives the government the right to declare it illegal?
You have yet to show where the Feds have the right to regulate it.
Guess I’m not smart enough to understand.
But, thanks for trying.
Listen, I am not trying to be a dick (but am probably succeeding). It is late and I am in a feisty mood.
At the end of the day, people use stats to manipulate a world view. If they measure 2 things togther and find a positive r2 (correlation) they say things are related. Well, they are but it doesn’t mean they are related to each other,
There was a famous study that showed that the more churches in a city, the greater the crime rate. Well, what the hell does crime rate have to do with churches? Not much.
Don’t assume that a positive correlation means squat about a study. Fight for lower drug use but don’t assume a study about maleovent behavior is related to drugs. The danger here is assumption and studies designed specifically to
manipulate correlations.
When researchers do work the bigger question is not correlation (which is all mathematical) but DOES IT MAKE SENSE?
On some levels, a bad habit is a bad habit and a sin that may impact society and its limited resources; but, one does have to eat to live whereas one’s survival is not dependent upon smoking, snorting or shooting up.
The Constitution doesn’t grant authority to government by not prohibiting an action by FedGov. It very carefully SPELLS OUT what FedGov is ALLOWED to do and specifically DENIES it any other power. I realize this troubles your controlling soul, but that’s the way the Founders intended it to be. And they were ALSO quite specific in what the interstate commerce clause was to mean and be used for... and it was NOT what YOU want it used for. Go to http://constitution.org and read the Federalist/Anti-federalist Papers for yourself. See what THEY INTENDED. Then compare that to the abomination YOU support. MAJOR DIFFERENCE!!!
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The 9th Amendment guarantees that no rights reserved by citizens will be taken away simply to protect the rights specified in the Constitution. Is drug use a right? What right is being protected by its prohibition? Surely none specified in the Constitution that I can see. This seems to be out of scope of the 9th Amendment, although in its spirit.
“And the government will stop at nothing to protect it’s turf.”
Actually, the unnamed “Second Whisky Rebellion” after the Civil War resulted in several hundred dead on both sides. Collecting whisky taxes in the south to pay for the Civil War was largely unpopular and settled nothing.
Saying “the government will stop at nothing to protect it’s turf” is simplistic.
The government sent army contigents into the south to protect revenuers. The government, made up of people who bleed and die, quickly learned not to go into certain areas. Mostly, the goverenment would publicly march its troops around the area for a week or so, scribble a few entries into a log and then quickly pull out. Afterwards the bootleggers hauled the equipment back out and continued brewing whisky.
The second whisky rebellion led to prohibition which again settled nothing.
What works is allowing people to keep the money they earn to pay the whisky tax. That way everyone - people and government - can go about their lawful business without killing each other. But that simple fact will be lost on the socialists infesting Washington.
I suspect we’ll see a “third” whisky rebellion as obuma sees to it that vast amounts of money is stolen from working citizens and it gets tough to pay increased taxes on whisky. As usual, nothing will be resolved and some unknown number of people will die.
Smuggling of many items - smokes, guns, booze, people - is increasing. John Hancock is back in the house.
Drug legalization will bring 0bama millions of new gimme voters. Voters who will vote themselves other peoples money.
We had 10 days of pre-voting here. Every day the gimme voters were lined up willing to wait a few hours to vote.
I’ve tried to have rational debates on this topic in FR in the past. For every thoughtful, reasoned comment, there were 10 drug induced coma rants and rambles. The same pattern occurs on the topic of pit bulls. I now avoid those topics unless I want to remind myself why drugs and prosperity don’t mix.
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