Posted on 06/16/2009 1:10:08 PM PDT by Eddings
He did yield, the video shows him about 3/4 of the way off the highway when the patrol car passes him.
It would be best for Officer Neckvein to accept a job at a different law enforcement organization in a different locale.
For even if he is cleared to resume work... he will, most likely, eventually need the EMTs at some point in his life. And *THEY* will remember him.
Life can be much shorter when the medics take their time helping you. Gotta follow all the traffic laws, now don’t they. And heaven forbid they get stopped en-route.
See post #51. I was wrong.
You can read the official OHP statements from the officers here http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/griffin/NEWS9/PDF/0906/trooperscuffle.pdf The other trooper’s (Iker’s) statement begins at the top of page 3 of the pdf document. The pages are out of sequence, with the first page of text (page 2 of the pdf document) being the end of Martin’s statement; Martin’s statement starts on page 6 of the document, after the end of Iker’s statement.
On what charge?
Legally, the paramedic who was caring for the patient was in charge of the whole ambulance, including the patient and the EMT/driver. The trooper ought to know what the law is on that subject, and Paramedic White did advise him that he (White) was in charge. Legally, the trooper should have deferred to Paramedic White. Police officers are NOT authorized to overrule the decisions of the patient caregiver in charge of an ambulance transport.
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You’re most welcome. Facts tend to promote rational and productive discussion. The threads on this topic have been way too light on that sort of discussion, and way too heavy on personal attacks and knee-jerk rants.
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Excellent. Thank you.
Sorry if I offended you, I was just commenting on the number of black people who showed up at the stop. As someone else pointed out, they were friends and family following the ambulance -- something I learned watching the longer version of the videos.
I hope we haven't gotten to the point where even on a good conservative site we can't say what we see without being called racists.
If you were doing your job, had the life of another person in your hands, and some arrogant dumb@$$ with a bloated sense of self-importance interfered with you and your patient's safety -- and you weren't angered and "beligerent", you should be fired.
The altercation was a white cop and a black EMT (whose name was white, which I thought was funny). While in this case the other people were members of the family of the victim (and at the time I made my post, I had seen only the short version of the dash cam, and did not have any idea what race the patient was).
There are places where, when a white police officer confronts a black person, other blacks in the area come out and film and confront the officer to make sure there is no “race attack” from the white officer. The short film looked like that, and police in those cases will often overreact feeling they are being surrounded.
In the other video, it was clear these were people with the ambulance, and the police officer wasn’t being surrounded, and the officer had backup as well. So my first impression from the original video was incorrect.
The first video also did not show whose fault it was, or really what happened — since others had said the video made up their minds, I was pointing out that it didn’t make up my mind, but it turned out I had seen a short version.
thanks for posting this thread. It’s a great one for easy identification of rabid bootlickers.
He left the patient because the stop was delaying the transport of the patient, and as the person in charge of both the patient and the driver, it was perfectly appropriate for him to get out and find out what was going on, if in his judgement, doing so wouldn’t harm the patient.
Also, if you read his statement, he initially thought that the reason for the stop might have been because the the woman he saw in the trooper’s car urgently needed medical attention — he couldn’t figure out any other reason why the trooper would have raced up to the ambulance with its lights and sirens on. That woman turned out to be the trooper’s wife, and there’s been a peculiar silence as to what the heck she was doing in the patrol car. Remember, this trooper was on duty, and had just responded to an emergency call from a convenience store re a possible stolen vehicle (only to find the situation being taken care of by someone from the sheriff’s office). I seriously doubt that OHP troopers are allowed to have their family members in their patrol cars while on duty, unless there is some major extenuating circumstance.
But the caregiver should have been in the ambulance giving care. If a driver has a violation, the cop is going to talk to the driver, not to the “person in charge”.
If your child is driving the car and you are a passenger, and your child runs a stop sign, and a cop pulls them over, you will be in big trouble if you jump out of the car and confront the officer and tell them they have to talk to you rather than your child.
The officer overreacted, but the EMT is not entirely blameless. Mostly blameless, because there is no reason for the average person to know not to come out and talk to the officer, but he should have obeyed the officer’s order to step out of the way. There is no right of a citizen to impede an officer trying to talk to the driver of a car.
Why do you think an EMT would “outrank” an officer wishing to talk to the driver of the ambulance? I presume that if the ambulance had had lights going, the cop wouldn’t have acted this way. The officer had no reason to believe the ambulance was transporting anybody.
He overreacted, pulled the ambulance over, and a big guy jumps out of the back and confronts him while the cop is going to question the driver.
In some really bad cases this is what gets people shot.
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I doubt it is a felony for an officer to touch a person who has impeded an attempt to talk to a driver, and disobeyed a legal order to get back in the ambulance.
I know that if a cop tells me to get back in the car, unless the cop is beating up someone who doesn’t deserve it, I’m getting back in the car. It’s never a good idea to confront the man with a gun and the law on his side, even if he is wrong.
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