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Debunking Canadian health care myths [Barf alert!]
Denver Post ^ | 6/7/09 | Rhonda Hackett

Posted on 06/14/2009 3:43:56 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD

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To: Don W
My current income tax / CPP bill is about 35% of my gross income.

It's sad enough the Americans posting here regard this article in ignorance , you should know better. CPP deductions are also a tax deduction , stop at a gross income of 46K and if your average tax rate is 35% then you live in Quebec and make at least $120,000 a year. The tax on that amount in Ontario is 30.6% , on $60,000 , 21%. Including both Fed and Prov. taxes.

The truth is taxes in both countries are very close.

61 posted on 06/15/2009 4:13:18 AM PDT by Snowyman
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62 posted on 06/15/2009 7:11:46 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

The writer doesn’t understand the number one reason not to want government run health care....all her points, good or bad, are meaningless b/c she has no freaking clue what it means to be FREE. She can write all day about how great it is her Aunt had to wait (and by her own omission in pain!) 14 months for a knee replacement (snort, are we really suppose to believe waiting in pain is a good thing?!) she still misses the big picture...freedom.


63 posted on 06/15/2009 7:20:33 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

“As a Canadian living in the United States for the past 17 years, “

Then you have no credibility to discuss the current state of the Canadian health care system. It is clear that you only use that line as a way to change the United States to the society that you fled.....


64 posted on 06/15/2009 9:56:38 AM PDT by CSM (Business is too big too fail... Government is too big to succeed... I am too small to matter...)
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“Those patients who do come to the U.S. for care and pay out of pocket are those who perceive their care to be more urgent than it likely is.”

Ah, she can’t figure out why anyone would have the ability to manage their own physical well being, beyond what the government beaurocrats deem necessary. She can’t figure out why an individual would not cave to dictatorial policies.


65 posted on 06/15/2009 9:59:20 AM PDT by CSM (Business is too big too fail... Government is too big to succeed... I am too small to matter...)
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To: Snowyman

I sincerely doubt I’ll EVER see one red cent of my CPP contributions, and I know I’ll never get a cheque from the EI program, so that makes them both what: mandatory non-taxes?

So what if my CPP/EI contribution(s) lower my “taxable” income. All that means is that I don’t pay income tax on the money used to pay a tax. Big whoop!

The way I interpret my deductions is very simple, not nuanced and sophisticated like you do. My simple method is:

If the government takes the money, it’s a tax.

As for your claim that taxation levels are close, why is it that after a 90 minute ferry ride South of my current location, the stuff in my wallet goes further, even after taking the exchange rate into account? Or do subjective arguments and observations not count?

How about fuel taxes, liquor taxes, etc?

I can buy a case (24) of Canadian beer for ~$18 in Washington. The very same beer, from the same brewery costs $21 here for a 12 pack.

Then there’s the price of gasoline. On Saturday, the best price available on the lower mainland was $1.049/litre. In Sumas WA, it was $0.749/litre.

But the taxation levels are very similar. Yeah. On your planet perhaps.


66 posted on 06/15/2009 11:25:47 AM PDT by Don W (People who think are a threat to socialism)
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I sincerely doubt I’ll EVER see one red cent of my CPP contributions, and I know I’ll never get a cheque from the EI program,

Well it's nice to know you'll never be out of work . Too bad you're going to die before you're eligible to collect your CPP.

Taxes are not that different between the US and Canada . I pay 75 bucks/yr for a car plate, a poster on FR tells me he pays $300. Another will pay for city garbage pick up , I don't. When I sell my house I don't pay capital gains . In the US someone selling their home might . I use a TFSA . Every dollar I make in that account is tax free. You can pick all the examples you want , fact is when all is considered the income taxes in the two countries are damn close.

After 43 years I collect my CPP. This isn't too sophisticated . Keep paying those premiums. You deduct them , I'll spend them.

67 posted on 06/15/2009 1:20:18 PM PDT by Snowyman
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