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Lightweight, Fuel-Efficient Cars Not Necessarily Less Safe
rmi.org ^ | 5-19-09 | Mike Simpson, Kristine Chan-Lizardo, Cory Lowe, and Cameron M. Burns

Posted on 05/23/2009 5:09:48 AM PDT by ovrtaxt

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To: Condor51
However take that micro mini lightweight fleet of death traps and put them on any expressway where there's an 85,000# Semi two feet from your rear bumper, you see traffic stopped up ahead but HE DOESN'T and you can't change lanes because you've already used all 25 HP of your energy efficient green car. You won't even have time to say a Hail Mary before you're flattened along with ten micro mini death traps in front of you.

From yesterday's thread:


61 posted on 05/23/2009 7:28:39 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It took almost 250 years to make the USA great and 30 days for "The Failure" BO to tear it down.)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Exotic materials have a bigger impact on the envior than traditional materials pound for pound.

One of the truest laws of greeness is that green is a function of price. If one thing is more expensive than another it is usually because it used more energy and had more impact on the environment than the other. I wish more people knew this simple law of nature.

62 posted on 05/23/2009 7:32:16 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: vaudine

Exactly. That’s what the Tea Parties are for.


63 posted on 05/23/2009 7:36:14 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Truly Constitutional money isn't just backed by gold and silver- it IS gold and silver.)
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To: Mr Rogers

What’s not obvious is that it can be done in a cost-effective way with carbon nylon, if you scale up the production process.


64 posted on 05/23/2009 7:39:28 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Truly Constitutional money isn't just backed by gold and silver- it IS gold and silver.)
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To: ovrtaxt

I do not believe in the government mandating this. I believe the market should drive it. Sure, the government can help, but why regulate business into the ground?

Thank you for your civil response...


65 posted on 05/23/2009 7:44:37 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Thanks. Those pics prove my point.

And the Truck driver doesn't even have to be at fault. Many car drivers are idiots(1) and think a Semi can stop as fast & short as a car.

(1) Pubklik skul edumakated morons who never heard of Physics, the Laws of Motion / Momentum, and had to cheat to pass Drivers ED.

66 posted on 05/23/2009 7:47:56 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Condor51

Most professional truckers are well trained and safe drivers for the most part. I’ve seen several truck wrecks, and 99% are probably the car / pickup driver’s fault. There are times the truckers cannot see the other cars. Big rigs have a huge blind spot directly behind them. Did you ever notice the sign most trailers no have on the back?

If you can’t see my mirrors, I can’t see you.

Back in the early 80s, we were going up IH 35 from TX to OK for training. There was a car hauler stopped in the road and the driver thought he was still driving. He was jumping up and down in the seat, imitating the humps in the road. Both fuel tanks were empty. That driver was higher than a kite.

I have a friend who used to drive a tanker truck. He went by a truck wreck in Houston that involved a fuel tanker and the entire rig had burned. The coroner was picking the remains of the deceased driver out of the cab with tweezers. When he got back to the depot, he went into the boss’s office and tossed his keys on the desk and said “I quit”.


67 posted on 05/23/2009 8:08:03 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It took almost 250 years to make the USA great and 30 days for "The Failure" BO to tear it down.)
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To: Condor51

The Obammesiah just needs to issue a new edict. He will declare that F=MA is unfair, and unreasonably targets the disadvantaged among us. Once F=MA is repealed, we won’t have issues with 85K lb. trucks, because all vehicles on the road will be equal. Silly commoner.


68 posted on 05/23/2009 8:27:10 AM PDT by GulchBound (Who owns you?)
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To: ovrtaxt
"Right now the push is in scaling up the[LED] wattage while maintaining the high lumen output."

Does that mean that the spectral balance of the light output has been solved?

FWIW, I prefer a "warm" color CFL in my reading lamp because I don't like the incandescent's IR (heat) bombarding the top of my head.

Similarly, I use a LED in my big Maglight. It works great -- and batteries last a long time. I can overlook the bluish cast to the light -- until atmospheric haze reaches a point where the increased short wavelength scattering is a problem.

I repeat: have the spectral balance and spectral continuity problems inherent in LED lighting been solved?

69 posted on 05/23/2009 8:29:34 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: Ghengis
yeah, just wait until all those electric cars plug in at the same time to get ready for tomorrows shuffle off to work.

Oh, wait they all caused a brown out, no charge = no work.

70 posted on 05/23/2009 8:36:05 AM PDT by BillT (The Gov has bankrupted my children & are not working on my grandchildren)
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To: rlmorel

You’re right. There seems to be a movement of psuedo-capitalist fascism in which companies compete to get government grants.


71 posted on 05/23/2009 9:05:35 AM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: ovrtaxt

Well, there are also issues with stability in windy/gusty conditions.


72 posted on 05/23/2009 9:35:32 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: ovrtaxt

“You mentioned profit. These guys are advocating FOR PROFIT solutions.”

Perhaps I didn’t state it clearly. I was not saying anything against anyone who has a way of making more fuel efficient cars. My issue is strictly with the government mandating the car companies produce vehicles that meet some arbitrary standard they dream up. I am all for the private sector using alternative technologies and I am a heavy user of new technologies that save me money on my electric bill. I just don’t want the government making me do it.


73 posted on 05/23/2009 9:38:52 AM PDT by yazoo (Conservatives believe what they see. Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: webschooner

“Not true — Zero will not be able to eliminate work trucks, delivery trucks, and semi’s. And when our paper mache toy cars meets one of those, well, let’s just say it will all be over quickly.”

Oh, they’ll be mandated to drive only in the right lane from 12:00AM to 6:00AM.


74 posted on 05/23/2009 9:45:16 AM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: varon
The problem with that is that you'd have to institute controls on human beings to an extent that would be unacceptable to most freedom-loving people.

Some safety measures can be undertaken at reasonable cost -- turnpike walls, reengineering dangerous intersections, etc.

But most accidents are due to stupidity and inattention on the part of one or more drivers. And because of our huge distances here, even stupid and inattentive Americans cannot be debarred the use of cars.

Especially since even though I've never had a ticket or an at-fault accident in almost 40 years of driving, I still have been in two serious crashes that I could not avoid, due in one case to an airhead female who ran right through a red light and T-boned me (thankfully on the unoccupied passenger side), and in the other to a drunk driver who crossed the center line and head-on'ed the lady in front of me while we were sitting still waiting on a flagman at a construction site. I walked away thanks to my Ford Explorer, but the lady in front of me was in a little sedan and went to the hospital. And the rear of her vehicle did almost $3,000 worth of damage to the front of my car. Fortunately the drunk had insurance and they paid up without a peep.

So, no, I'm going to keep my big truck.

75 posted on 05/23/2009 11:40:18 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Arrowhead1952
Oh, lord, I had to investigate one of those once.

So far as we could tell (from what was left for the medical examiner to examine) the driver had a massive heart attack and died at the wheel. He ran off a bridge and the tanker rig burned. Identified him from his false teeth.

That was not a fun accident investigation.

I liked much better the one where the guy drove the gravel truck across the tracks while a Southern RR locomotive was backing up. The impact knocked him out of his shoes and out of the cab, across the tracks and into the top branches of a good sized pine tree. He was completely unhurt, we think the pine branches acted like a safety net, although he did file a worker's comp claim for a 'bad back'. Can't say I blame him, although it might not show proper gratitude for a really miraculous escape.

76 posted on 05/23/2009 11:47:03 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Arrowhead1952
What I want to know is, is that extra tire the spare from under the rear floor, or is it one of the front wheels?

Although hardly anybody's going to survive a direct head-on with a tractor rig, those pictures still make me cringe.

At least it must have been quick.

77 posted on 05/23/2009 11:50:28 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Right Wing Assault
LOL! I like it!

Still can't carry anything but a toothbrush though.

78 posted on 05/23/2009 11:54:07 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: mad_as_he$$
Not to mention that nobody seems to have thought about the disposal problems when the batteries go bad (as they inevitably will).

You can't just put it in a plastic bag and drop it in the dumpster . . . .

79 posted on 05/23/2009 11:55:04 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
I expect that sooner or later you will have to go to a specially equipped shop that is licensed for replacement of large batteries to have it changed. The disposal fee will be big $$$$.
80 posted on 05/23/2009 12:41:00 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit (Two terms for politicians, one in office, one in jail.))
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