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Lightweight, Fuel-Efficient Cars Not Necessarily Less Safe
rmi.org ^ | 5-19-09 | Mike Simpson, Kristine Chan-Lizardo, Cory Lowe, and Cameron M. Burns

Posted on 05/23/2009 5:09:48 AM PDT by ovrtaxt

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To: ovrtaxt
There is no comparison between old, non air bag cars and new air bag cars. That is the problem with the first study published, BS in BS out!!
41 posted on 05/23/2009 6:29:07 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: AnAmericanMother

getting yourself out of the plane of impact

Here's a Smart Car for you.

42 posted on 05/23/2009 6:29:35 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

LOL, you must believe in the ten day magic wand. Given time all that will change.


43 posted on 05/23/2009 6:31:07 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: ovrtaxt
No, it makes me an advocate of spending less money on your electric bill so you can spend it on something else.

You'll be spending the savings on a higher heating bill because inefficient incandescent lights help heat a home in winter. Most energy waste is heat. LEDs make more economic sense in hot climates.

44 posted on 05/23/2009 6:33:23 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Exotic materials have a bigger impact on the envior than traditional materials pound for pound. The mine where the materials are gathered for Prius batteries is an eco disaster.
45 posted on 05/23/2009 6:35:58 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Reeses

Exactly. You can engineer a LED chip to produce no infrared radiation. Makes a huge difference in A/C costs. CFLs are similar, but you can’t achieve the lumens/watt that an LED can.

Right now the push is in scaling up the wattage while maintaining the high lumen output.


46 posted on 05/23/2009 6:38:35 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Truly Constitutional money isn't just backed by gold and silver- it IS gold and silver.)
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To: rlmorel; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...

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Capital begets more capital; a company that depletes its own capital is eroding the basis of its future prosperity. Pressures on business to restore, sustain, and expand natural capital are mounting as human needs expand, the costs of deteriorating ecosystems rise, and the environmental awareness of consumers increases. Fortunately, these pressures all create business opportunity.

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“Shortages of work and hope”?

Nope. Not buying into their new age junk. Not this crap. They are in the tank for the whole Obama socialist crap.


47 posted on 05/23/2009 6:38:56 AM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I think NASA used the area surrounding the plant to test their Mars rover, since nothing grows there.

Battery tech is a whole other subject. Recently, there have been breakthroughs in silver-zinc batteries, but the silver market might have something to say about the reality of that.

As for the thrust of this article, look at http://www.fiberforge.com/ Pretty neat stuff.


48 posted on 05/23/2009 6:42:53 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Truly Constitutional money isn't just backed by gold and silver- it IS gold and silver.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Didn't we used to have freedom in this country?

People talking about government mandates, and everyone have to do what the government tells them?

My goodness... what has happened to our Republic?!

49 posted on 05/23/2009 6:43:22 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: ovrtaxt
Ok, if the plan is to run the density of the vehicle down, you'll run into problems with cross-winds. An empty full-size van is already hard to handle in cross-winds. I just recently rented a Jeep Liberty, which is much smaller than a van, on a business trip, and found that it was nasty in cross-winds. Making it lighter and bigger would just make it undrivable in any wind.

A lighter Tahoe as noted in a previous post wouldn't cause troubles, but you aren't going to get 35MPG in anything the size of a Tahoe.

50 posted on 05/23/2009 6:47:15 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: ovrtaxt
Perhaps an offset to the lessened crash worthiness of small cars is that the anemic engines that will be used to power them won't be able to get them up to higher speeds. A glorified golf cart that can barely make 40 mph with a 20 mph tail wind would necessarily be safer than a similar glorified golf cart capable of reaching 70 mph.

Such glorified golf carts might be fine in cities, but out here in flyover country where a 40 mile trip might be required to get groceries and a 20 mph wind is a light breeze, they would be wholly impractical. I would also like to see how one of these glorified golf carts performs when temperatures are below zero with 3" of snow on the road.

51 posted on 05/23/2009 6:51:25 AM PDT by The Great RJ (chain.)
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To: ovrtaxt

It has to do with mass. Until they can solve the real problem that two different sized masses react differently to forces, then this is just BS. First we have to get Obama to, by Executive Order, recind the laws of physics, then we can study the safety of the kiddie cars. First things first.


52 posted on 05/23/2009 6:53:21 AM PDT by DHC-2 (Flag being flown: USA - (Reason at http://www.jdlinn.com/liberty))
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To: ovrtaxt

Now all I need is a large, $175K carbon-fiber car...and a job to pay for it.

Isn’t it OBVIOUS that a large car built with advanced materials can be safe? And isn’t it OBVIOUS that a car built like that will cost out the yahoo?


53 posted on 05/23/2009 6:57:34 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: joshhiggins

I saw that line too. No one drives more aggressively than I did in my 1975 Honda Civic (1800 lbs, 53 HP). In my 50s, I have a Mazda Miata, and I don’t exactly drive it like I’m a scared rabbit.

But in the end, if a car hits a person at 25 mph, I don’t care if it weights 1800 lbs or 3600 lbs...the person is going to lose.

“Whether the stone hits the pitcher, or the pitcher hits the stone, it is going to be bad for the pitcher.”


54 posted on 05/23/2009 7:03:39 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: ovrtaxt
Striving for fuel economy is good. Mandating complete change without the finished product to produce that change is not only reckless but unconstitutional (but who in this Admin. cares about that?)

What happened to drill, baby, drill? While working toward fuel efficiency, we need to be drilling like crazy--it would dig CA out of its financial mess, help the economy overall, and get us out of being at the mercies of foreign oil.

Global warming is a great hoax for the purpose of regulation and taxing of the people, and the making of more elite multi-millioinaires like Gore.

When are we the sheeple going to demand some sanity and responsibility of our self appointed masters?

vaudine

55 posted on 05/23/2009 7:07:00 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: CriticalJ

When the abortionist in chief mandates that his wife and chilren can only be driven in, and escorted by a Prius, then I’ll believe he is serious about his concern about the environment.

Can’t wait to see the boyz in the hood pimping their shoebox vehicles.


56 posted on 05/23/2009 7:09:03 AM PDT by Josa
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To: ovrtaxt

Here is a simpilar thread posted on FR yesterday with the WSJ being the source.

Obambi wants to kill as many Americans as possible, so the terrorists won’t have to use so much ammo when they cut loose.


Light Cars Are Dangerous Cars
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2256269/posts


57 posted on 05/23/2009 7:18:35 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It took almost 250 years to make the USA great and 30 days for "The Failure" BO to tear it down.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
If extreme fuel economy is mandated, we'll just get shoeboxes on roller skates and the consequent increased fatality rate. (my emphasis)

I'm wondering what the results would be if the same amount of time, effort and money was spent in developing accident avoidance as is spent on accident survival?

Heck, most everyone knows that an egg can be packaged to survive a drop from atop a building but how much effort has been made to eliminate the need to drop the egg in the first place? ;-)

58 posted on 05/23/2009 7:19:21 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: CriticalJ
Lightweight cars will be safe after 0bama mandates everyone drive one. They’ll be the only car on the road.

Not true -- Zero will not be able to eliminate work trucks, delivery trucks, and semi's. And when our paper mache toy cars meets one of those, well, let's just say it will all be over quickly.

59 posted on 05/23/2009 7:20:52 AM PDT by webschooner
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To: AnAmericanMother
Big trucks are selling like hotcakes around here. Just bought one myself.

They are in Texas too. Everyone is getting one before they go the way of the Edsel per bambi's declaration.

60 posted on 05/23/2009 7:23:49 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It took almost 250 years to make the USA great and 30 days for "The Failure" BO to tear it down.)
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