How to put Democratic leaders on the defensive just like Chris Matthews 'got' Cong. Pence yesterday

self | May 6, 2009 | self

[metmom]

Actually, it looks like we have a loser, just like all evos....

“This account has been banned or suspended.”

[metmom]

So far, all of the evidence shows that dogs, over time, with careful selective breeding and intense artificial environmental pressure to remove "undesirable" genetic traits, will eventually "evolve" into dogs that look like their parents.

So far,almost all the dogs that have been so intensively, selectively bred have done nothing more than shown a propensity to a multitude of undesirable traits, like hip dysplasia and nasty personalities.

[steve-b]

Sounds like an abuse of moderation; there's certainly nothing sanctionable from OH4life on this thread.

[GodGunsGuts]

Don’t worry, he’ll be back. You can count on it.

[Sopater]

So far,almost all the dogs that have been so intensively, selectively bred have done nothing more than shown a propensity to a multitude of undesirable traits, like hip dysplasia and nasty personalities.

You have a very valid point. As one undesirable genetic trait is bred out, others are inadvertently bred in. Strange how some would call that evolution.

[BlueStateBlues]

Thanks. People became larger, as well, after 1955, when McDonald’s went national. Ummmmmmmm, weighty burgers.

[metmom]

In many ways, though, the question of intentionality is beside the point. Domestication was not a single event but rather a long, complex process. Natural selection and artificial selection may both have operated at different times or even at the same time.

And they expect us to believe that he did the same thing in one generation?

In setting up our breeding experiment, Belyaev bypassed that initial trauma. He began with 30 male foxes and 100 vixens, most of them from a commercial fur farm in Estonia. The founding foxes were already tamer than their wild relatives. Foxes had been farmed since the beginning of this century, so the earliest steps of domestication-capture, caging and isolation from other wild foxes-had already left their marks on our foxes' genes and behavior.

Ooops. Tainted sample already. If he was trying to prove the point of how our ancestors domesticated WILD dogs, he needed to start with WILD foxes, same as they.

Lazy, careless short cut.

To ensure that their tameness results from genetic selection, we do not train the foxes. Most of them spend their lives in cages and are allowed only brief "time dosed" contacts with human beings. Pups are caged with their mothers until they are I/2 to 2 months old. Then they are caged with their litter mates but without their mothers. At three months, each pup is moved to its own cage.

No, they did not tame the foxes. They left them alone in cages to ensure their wildness.

Honestly, if this is what passes for science, it's no wonder that most evos believe the TOE.

And that's just skimming the first part of the article.

[metmom]

Sounds like an abuse of moderation; there's certainly nothing sanctionable from OH4life on this thread.

Do you know everything they know?

It wasn't my call. Tell that to the mods.

[count-your-change]

“To ensure that their tameness results from genetic selection, we do not train the foxes. Most of them spend their lives in cages and are allowed only brief “time dosed” contacts with human beings. Pups are caged with their mothers until they are I/2 to 2 months old. Then they are caged with their litter mates but without their mothers. At three months, each pup is moved to its own cage.”

What is described here is a form of training, caging with contact with humans, humans who feed them, caging with and without mothers, constantly seeing humans close up as non threatening....as food providers, as dominate.
No training there!

[count-your-change]

Oh wellllll.

[editor-surveyor]

Fake but accurate!

[gorush]

I was in total agreement until...Meanwhile the 'fossil record' proves itself to be simply the aftermath of the "flood."

I agree that the fossil record appears to disprove evolution but I don't view it as proof of creationism.

[tpanther]

BSB: If we can get one prominent dim to say he’s not an ape, then he loses the lib crowd. Worth the asking, IMHO.

Sorry, that doesn't make any sense at all. The theory of evolution says that men and apes have A COMMON ANCESTOR. It doesn't say that humans are DESCENDED from apes themselves.

Of course it makes sense, since species classification comes directly from Darwinism. 100% of people that believe human beings are merely soulless great apes believe in evolution.

And frankly yours is a cop-out answer because it supposes men evolved from an even lesser creature than an ape.

But that's what evolution is, a cop-out on flim-flam so-called "evidence".

[editor-surveyor]

It’s proof of the flood. As for the rest, I guess you’ll believe whatever you believe.

[gorush]

"It’s proof of the flood. As for the rest, I guess you’ll believe whatever you believe."

"Believe" is an interesting word. It almost presupposes a lack of evidence. As opposed to "know" for example which (in an idyllic sense) suggests that plenty of evidence exists to honestly use the word.

I am not the one expounding on beliefs as you imply. I have no axe to grind. I enjoy my search for truth, just so you know... :{)

[tpanther]

“I know, but for some reason the ones who don’t seem to congregate on FR...”

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Ummmm....you were saying....?

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/03/americans_overwhelmingly_suppo.html

Headline: “Americans Overwhelmingly Support Teaching Scientific Challenges to Darwinian Evolution, Zogby Poll Shows” From March 2006.

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=719

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Free Republic Poll on Evolution
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1706571/posts?page=63#63

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Creationism makes a comeback in US
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1856224/posts

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Teaching creation and evolution in schools
Solid research reveals American beliefs
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i2/teaching.asp

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Survey Finds Support Is Strong For Teaching 2 Origin Theories
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B07E4D9143BF932A25750C0A9669C8B63

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Public Divided on Origins of Life
http://people-press.org/report/254/religion-a-strength-and-weakness-for-both-parties

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Americans Believe in Jesus, Poll Says (creation poll results included)
http://derekgulbranson.com/2005/01/17/americans-believe-in-jesus/

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[tpanther]

Actually, it looks like we have a loser, just like all evos....

“This account has been banned or suspended.”

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LOL-ROTF!

I noticed a few of the usual closet liberals yammering him on, got really really quiet. LOL

[gorush]

Maybe our definitions of “proof” differ... and back to “believe”. You can probably find at least one volunteer from each religion willing to bet his life that his beliefs reflect the truth. (Include evolutionists in this group religions for arguments sake.) Either only one of the aforementioned are correct or none of them are.

[tpanther]

Sounds like an abuse of moderation; there’s certainly nothing sanctionable from OH4life on this thread.

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That’s because in the liberal world, up is down and down is up....cry us a river.

btw, two thumbs up to Ad. Mod. for the cornfield banning...I loved that episode on Twilight Zone.

[MilspecRob]

"question to our your beloved Sarah"

Palin could not address simple questions and looked not ready for prime time by any standard.