Man shot in face by off-duty Atlanta officer

atlanta urinal constipation ^ | 5/5/09 | marcus garner

[Red in Blue PA]

I must have missed the part about the undercover cop having a gun in his face.

[Joe Boucher]

Good post.
WE were not there and I for one will usually give the benefit of doubt to a cop. Least until a real unbiased investigation was preformed. Or there is a film of said cop doing an unjustified beat down.

[from occupied ga]

Doesn't everyone keep a cell phone under the car seat? < /sarc >

In that part of Atlanta if you have anything of value in plain sight it's an invitation to get your window broken and the valuable thing removed.

[r9etb]

We do not yet know the full circumstances of the shooting.

There are a number of folks on this and similar threads who have a long, sorry history of not needing to know the circumstances. They seem proud of their ignorance. Happily, they're predictable, and therefore ignorable.

[JimRed]

In that part of Atlanta if you have anything of value in plain sight it's an invitation to get your window broken and the valuable thing removed.

The point is that I usually carry mine wth me when I leave the car. Sounds like folks who have to go to that hood need 911 on speed dial!

[mysterio]

Seven hundred and eighty nine Mississippi
Seven hundred and ninety aught Mississippi....

[American_Centurion]

Does a cop in this position actually have to give the subject the first shot, does he have to wait until he positively identifies a weapon

Cops should be held to the exact same standard as a CCW holder when it comes to a shooting. Can a cop shoot because he "thought" a phone was a weapon? Sure, but his punishment should be the same as a CCWs would if he made the mistake.

[JimRed]

Cops should be held to the exact same standard as a CCW holder when it comes to a shooting.

Agreed.

[coloradan]

Since when did FR become a cop bashing site? Sure there are some bad cops out there but the majority are good.

The purpose of this site is to discuss corruption in government, among other things. Cops = government. Bad cops are very much fair game in this context.

Personally, I find the idea that "all men are created equal" to be incompatible with the idea that cops should be able to legally use deadly force under conditions that would get citizens charged (and usually convicted) with crimes.

If that makes me a "cop hater," so be it.

[DeLaine]

Oh dear, I WISH they were only rude and discourteous!! There are just too many stories in the news about the corruption in and even murder by Atlanta cops.

[Lancey Howard]

saw what he believed to be a “suspicious” person

The cops have every right to shoot suspicious people.
Anyway, the real question as always is, what are the races of the people involved?

[Lancey Howard]

Oops...
For the sarc challenged:

/sarc

[from occupied ga]

Well with a first name of “Tremaine” I’d guess the man who was shot be black. Because the police never identify which of their own is involved in a shooting (unlike if you or I shot someone - our pictures, names, and home addresses would hit the front page) it’s kind of hard to tell. btw local TV news followups said multiple witnesses contradicted the officer’s version of the events. But of course the word of a cop is infinitely better than any number of disinterested witnesses.

[from occupied ga]

Cops should be held to the exact same standard as a CCW holder when it comes to a shooting.

I think that because they are granted greater powers by government they should be held to a stricter standard.

[org.whodat]

The dirty cops of Atlanta have a long record of wrong full act's, next they might even kill a little old lady and try to plant drugs on her.

[org.whodat]

Personally, I find the idea that "all men are created equal" to be incompatible with the idea that cops should be able to legally use deadly force under conditions that would get citizens charged (and usually convicted) with crimes.

If that makes me a "cop hater," so be it.

Agreed!!! I think cops should be held to a higher stand than ordinary citizens.

[ZX12R]

I think that because they are granted greater powers by government they should be held to a stricter standard.

I agree completely. If they are not, it leads inevitably to an increase in malicious behavior by a minority of police officers. And this leads to the poor impression that many people have of law enforcement. (Hello pitbull hater)

[Lancey Howard]

But of course the word of a cop is infinitely better than any number of disinterested witnesses.

LOL, no, witnesses would never lie.

[nufsed]

The way these threads usually go is that everyone speaks there pro or anti cop piece and then more facts come out a day later and the thread dies out. Repeat and rinse.

[EAGLE7]

We should discuss corruption in Government and bad cops. Doing so does not make one a ‘cop-hater’. The problem, once again, IS MORALLY EQUATING THE SHOOTING OF AN UNARMED MAN BY A COP TO THE EXTERMINATION AND MURDER OF JEWS BY THE NAZIS.
Also, people assumed that the cop was in the wrong legally when the details of the shooting are not yet known. My entire point is not whether that cop is good or bad....it is MORALLY EQUATING THE SHOOTING OF AN UNARMED MAN BY A COP TO THE EXTERMINATION AND MURDER OF JEWS BY THE NAZIS.