Actually one of the better looking LED incandescent/Edison styles I've seen. But way too expensive.
Posted on 04/27/2009 9:08:01 AM PDT by reaganaut1
LMAO!!!! That was a good one!!
“I said it usually takes 2 - 3 flushes to do with a low flow what you used to be able to do with a regular flow toilet.”
My post was to point out that isn’t true.
The CEO of Sylvania agrees with you. Even though they are a large domestic maker of CFL's he said in an interview some months back that the CFL is a "transitional" product and that the endpoint for the foreseeable future will be LEDs.
I should add that your bathroom is one of the first and most closely regulated areas of house hold life under government in America.
You better wait ten years or so.
The last price I saw for an LED incandescent substitute was $115.00 !!!!!!!!!
No, I am not kidding.
My response to your post was to point out that it is for most people.
That may be when it comes to sanitation, etc. but, when Congress has so little to do that it feels moved to regulate how much water my toilet uses, then they need to adjourn and go home. There is no provision in the Constitution that gives them the authority to decide how much water my toilet uses.
You're just not trying hard enough, thackney!!
LOL!!
I realized after I posted that “never” sounds like an exaggeration.
I’ve got kids and from time to time they will over use the paper clogging a toilet.
But I’ve moved enough to have had quite a few different toilets. I have “never” had one that couldn’t take care of normal business consistently.
My response to you is that as a service plumber and the owner of a service plumbing company that services the toilets in people's home and having been doing it since before even the 3.5 gallon flushers started, I think I have a better idea of what is true for most people and toilets in general.
If you have to flush 2 or 3 times every time you flush your toilet then you need a new toilet and no, it isn't true that most people's toilets won't flush.
Actually one of the better looking LED incandescent/Edison styles I've seen. But way too expensive.
If you look at post 35 you will see that I give a one year guarantee for every new toilet that I install, I had one that I replaced in the early 90s because it stopped up twice in a couple of weeks, I will never know if the customer was at fault or not but aside from that all my toilets have worked fine, I am not brand specific but I do vet the models some at the warehouses.
I had one customer that let their handy man install three new toilets that he bought from Home Depot that were made in Mexico and cost $50.00 a piece, at the time it was their cheapest model.
The customer called me a few months later to have me install better models in replacement of all three of them. That was many years ago anyway.
Again, you missed the point. I NEVER said that the toilets wouldn't flush. Nowhere in any of my responses did I say that. What I said is that since the requirement that we all have LOW FLOW toilets, it usually takes 2 - 3 flushes to do what we used to be able to accomplish in a single flush with the 3 gpf toilets.
The problem isn't one of functionality, it is a problem with VOLUME. There is, for many folks, insufficient volume in the LOW FLOW toilets to accomplish the task. If it takes multiple flushes to accomplish what we used to be able to do with one flush, what are we saving??
“What I said is that since the requirement that we all have LOW FLOW toilets, it usually takes 2 - 3 flushes to do what we used to be able to accomplish in a single flush with the 3 gpf toilets.”
“If it takes multiple flushes to accomplish what we used to be able to do with one flush, what are we saving??”
I know what you said, and as the guy that services, sells, repairs, installs and replaces toilets I keep telling you that it isn’t true.
As far as the 3.5 version of the low flow toilets I usually recommend replacement of those to a better modern toilet.
Even if you have a bad model of toilet that OCCASIONALLY needs a second flush to remove SOLID waste, twice 1.6 gallons is still less than the first mandated water savers that required 3.5 gallons for every single flush. Before the 3.5 requirement toilets took between about 5.5 and 7 gallons for every single flush which not only wasted pretreated drinking water but also over stressed waste treatment plants.
Having to occasionally flush twice happens but it is rare and it also happened in the 3.5 toilets from the 80s and early 90s, even the old 5.5 and 7 gallon toilets got stopped up and the stoppages were worse in those, now days a second flush or a bump with a plunger will clear a stoppage whereas in the old days a plumber and his snake was often needed.
If you often have to flush twice at your house then you are still saving a large amount of water but you also need to replace your terrible toilet with a newer better quality model.
The bottom line is that if you weren’t exaggerating about how often you have to flush your toilet then you need to call a plumber, because something is wrong at your house.
On this point we agree. What's wrong at my house is the LOW FLOW toilet mechanism. I've replaced the toilet AND the fill/float mechanism multiple times and consulted several different plumbers who all concede that the problem is the LOW FLOW fill/float mechanisms in today's toilets, NOT the toilet itself.
None of that even makes any sense, what models of toilets have you been installing? For instance which toilet is in there now that has plumbers telling you the toilet is fine but that the parts in the tank are bad and nothing can be done about them?
Again, you misinterpret what I wrote. I didn't say anything about bad parts. I said I have been through new toilets (Kohlers, mostly, and a couple of American Standard) and the problem always comes down to the fill pipe/float valve. Neither of them provide either the water pressure or the volume to satisfactorily flush the toilet in one flush. The flapper always cuts the water off (as it is supposed to do) before the job is completely done and some of the waste ends up flowing back from the trap into the bowl, requiring a second of third flush.
Functionally, all the parts are working as designed. The low flow crapola doesn't provide either the volume of water or the pressure to flush all the waste in one flush (and, no, I'm NOT flushing USA Today down the toilet . . . . . . . . . . . . although that's a thought!).
My customers never complain, what do your plumbers say when you ask them to honor their guarantee on their toilets that they sold you and installed and/or why aren’t all of these plumbers trying to sell you a toilet that works?
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