Posted on 04/11/2009 11:36:45 AM PDT by Roger_Wildcat
“Keep your eyes closed and ignor the injustice in America because we are a perfect country.”
It takes a real anti-American whackjob to believe that our system of justice, which does not condone the raping of women, to that of Islam, which punishes the raped female for the rape. We have an imperfect system of justice due to human error not because it is designed that way such as with Islam.
Then expect mooselimbs to become, targets.
Theory is nice, but reality differs.
People cannot bear arms in many parts of the country even though we have a constitutional right to do so.
Illegal aliens are let go from traffic accidents because they don't have documentation. On the other-hand, law abiding citizens are handcuff and taken to court.
A non natural born American is holding the presidency.
We live by rules set the criminals running this country, not by some objective measure. Open your eyes.
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I think in Muslim/sharia terms a rape charge must be confirmed,by testimony from three male witnesses who were not among those charged in the rape and the testimony of the victim is not considered evidence. So, all the perps need to do is buy the silence of others or extract the silence of others with threats, and most other witnesses are usually males and usually not of the belief that rape should be a crime - the woman deserves it.
This happened in Pakistan. Under Sharia law, a Christian harming a Muslim, for ANY reason (even self defense) constitutes an effective ACT OF WAR. This would result in widespread rioting by Muslims and massacre of Christians.
The prosecution didn't suck. They took a dive. The outcome of the case was pre-ordained the moment that they agreed to a change of venue from (mostly white) Brentwood to LA.
The prosecution had no interest in being the cause of yet another wave of riots in LA. And there WOULD have been riots, as anybody could see who saw the waves of celebration after OJ's acquittal.
Similarly, there would have been riots in Pakistan if Muslims were jailed over raping a Christian.
So what?
No Christian deserves justice in the religion of Islam
The following are real verifiable quotes along these lines from Australian government ministers - all members of the previous conservative, Howard government.
The closest thing Howard himself said is this:
"We have a right to know whether there is, within any section of the Islamic community, a preaching of the virtues of terrorism, whether any comfort or harbour is given to terrorism within that community."
His Treasurer, Peter Costello (at the time the Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party, and the third most senior person in Australian government after the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister - Costello is still in Parliament is still a potential future Prime Minister) had the following conversation on television.
TONY JONES: Now, over the past 24 hours you've been repeating the notion that migrants, evidently Islamic migrants, who don't like Australia, or Australian values, should think of packing up and moving to another country. Is that a fair assessment?
PETER COSTELLO: What I've said is that this is a country, which is founded on a democracy. According to our Constitution, we have a secular state. Our laws are made by the Australian Parliament. If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you. This is not the kind of country where you would feel comfortable if you were opposed to democracy, parliamentary law, independent courts and so I would say to people who don't feel comfortable with those values there might be other countries where they'd feel more comfortable with their own values or beliefs.
TONY JONES: It sounds like you're inviting Muslims who don't want to integrate to go to another country. Is it as simple as that?
PETER COSTELLO: No. I'm saying if you are thinking of coming to Australia, you ought to know what Australian values are.
TONY JONES: But what about if you're already here and you don't want to integrate?
PETER COSTELLO: Well, I'll come to that in a moment. But there are some clerics who have been quoted as saying they recognise two laws. They recognise Australian law and Sharia law. There's only one law in Australia, it's the Australian law. For those coming to Australia, I think we ought to be very clear about that. We expect them to recognise only one law and to observe it.
Now, for those who are born in Australia, I'd make the same point. This is a country which has a Constitution. Under its Constitution, the state is secular. Under its constitution, the law is made by the parliament. Under its Constitution, it's enforced by the judiciary. These are Australian values and they're not going to change and we would expect people, when they come to Australia or if they are born in Australia, to respect those values.
TONY JONES: I take it that if you're a dual citizen and you have the opportunity to leave and you don't like Australian values, you're encouraging them to go away; is that right?
PETER COSTELLO: Well, if you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country which practises it, perhaps then that's a better option.
TONY JONES: But isn't this the sort of thing you hear in pubs, the meaningless populism you hear on talkback radio? Essentially, the argument is if you don't like it here, you should go back home.
PETER COSTELLO: No. Essentially, the argument is Australia expects its citizens to abide by core beliefs - democracy, the rule of law, the independent judiciary, independent liberty. You see, Tony, when you come to Australia and you go to take out Australian citizenship you either swear on oath or make an affirmation that you respect Australia's democracy and its values. That's what we ask of people that come to Australia and if they don't, then it's very clear that this is not the country - if they can't live with them - whose values they can't share. Well, there might be another country where their values can be shared.
TONY JONES: Who exactly are you aiming this at? Are you aiming it at young Muslims who don't want to integrate or are you aiming it at clerics like Sheikh Omran or Abu Bakr both from Melbourne?
PETER COSTELLO: I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that that is false. It's not the situation in Australia. It's not the situation under our Constitution. There's only one law in Australia. It's the law that's made by the Parliament of Australia and enforced by our courts. There's no second law. There's only one law that applies in Australia and Australia expects its citizens to observe it.
From Dr. Brendan Nelson, Minister for Education:
"If you want to be an Australian, if you want to raise your children in Australia, we fully expect those children to be taught and to accept Australian values and beliefs. We want them to understand our history and our culture, the extent to which we believe in mateship and giving another person a fair go, and basically if people don't want to support and accept and adopt and teach Australian values then, they should clear off."
Yes, thanks. You are correct. I actually checked it out online before sending it to my email list. Ron Paul’s site had it up as shown on this thread, but I couldn’t find enough support for it. More’s the pity.
Nice job of gathering facts, naturalman.
Thanks Mkjessup. Interesting comments from the ministers.
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