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Evolutionary Explanations: Substance, Seasoning, or Storytelling?
CEH ^ | April 7, 2009

Posted on 04/08/2009 7:27:21 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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To: DevNet; GodGunsGuts; metmom
For every one person you bring to Christ you drive away at least 5.

Source?

Evidence?

Proof?

41 posted on 04/08/2009 10:01:12 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

I won’t be holding my breath.


42 posted on 04/08/2009 10:03:17 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: tpanther

The source would be the person who made the comment - that would be me.

The evidence is my talking to many people on the subject and related maters.

Proof - I could give you their contact information but I am afraid they would be harassed.


43 posted on 04/08/2009 10:08:22 PM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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So you are happy that you drive people away from Christ

Did he drive you away from Christianity, or do you just like to complain?

44 posted on 04/09/2009 12:33:03 AM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
The Bible is not a theory. But scientists can use information from the Bible to formulate theories with respect to physical evidence for a biblical cosmology, a young earth, the flood, the created kinds, etc. But the Bible itself is not a theory.

That will only give them information with respect to what happened, an perhaps an order of events, simply looking at the physical evidence doesn't tell you "why".

God is infallible, but men are not.

God doesn't write articles for creationist web sites, men do.

There is nothing in the Bible that says theories have to explain why, nor is that requirement enforced by science. It is a personal opinion submitted by the author of this article, and it appears to not have been well considered.

45 posted on 04/09/2009 3:48:26 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: DevNet

How’s life over at DC??


46 posted on 04/09/2009 4:40:48 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: DevNet; tpanther; GodGunsGuts
The source would be the person who made the comment - that would be me

Strike one.

The evidence is my talking to many people on the subject and related maters.

Strike two.

Proof - I could give you their contact information but I am afraid they would be harassed.

ROTFLMBO!!!!! Not unlike the kind and civil folks over at DC that we've heard about from their own who have left? Strike three.

Evidence like that is not good enough for frevos when presented to them as evidence of something, so the very things they say to us about that style of *evidence*.... backatcha.

47 posted on 04/09/2009 5:58:27 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; DevNet

Of course, that nonsense about *driving people away from Christ* is just that nonsense.

Several huge flaws exist in his statement.

One is that he is talking to people who have rejected Christianity and aren’t Christians and such people are always looking for excuses to reject Christianity. Such people have a bone to pick with God and are willing to blame ANYTHING or ANYONE for their reason to reject God.

Another thing is, it’s all just his say so. If he’s depending on memory, that’s known to be unreliable in anyone. I would not consider that he’s actually kept tally, unless he’s a compulsive God hater, looking to keep score.

The other thing is, the sample from which he’s taking his statements. I seriously doubt that he’s ever interviewed, or even encountered, anyone yu run into in your daily life. Unless those people you meet know you as GGG and have told him face to face that they know you and that your stand on creation is what has driven them from Christ, then he offers nothing but, well, unsubstantiated drivel.

If, in fact, he’s conversed with someone who is aware of you via the internet, then the only population left who knows who you are, knows you as GGG. That would be the people on this forum. The only ones that would qualify as having been *driven from Christ* would no doubt be the evos, as the creationists would not have accused you of *driving them away from Christ*. Now there’s a real unbiased sample for you. His sample is necessarily badly skewed.

So this whole exercise on DN’s in providing corroborating evidence to an unsubstantiated comment is, as my teenaged daughter likes to put it..... EPIC FAIL.


48 posted on 04/09/2009 6:43:24 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tacticalogic
That's going to put the ID/creation scientist in the position of having to discern God's motives.

Why should the frevos object to that? They do it all the time.

49 posted on 04/09/2009 6:44:21 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Ever notice that the only time Scripture has any credibility to some is when they use it as a weapon to bludgeon believers with?

They can’t use Scripture when it conflicts with their previously held beliefs, but they sure are quick on the draw when trying to manipulate and insult believers.

Then, all of a sudden, it’s got more credibility, as if it’s the words of God Himself.

Imagine that.....


50 posted on 04/09/2009 6:47:38 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Why should the frevos object to that? They do it all the time.

Why should I give you the courtesy of a response to that kind of question?

51 posted on 04/09/2009 6:49:01 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: DevNet; GodGunsGuts

Just how many people have you won to Christ with your warm and charming (/s) treatment of them?


52 posted on 04/09/2009 6:51:40 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tacticalogic; GodGunsGuts

Why not?

Evos are regularly telling us what God did and how He did it- like using natural laws, evolution, billions of years- with no more dependable sources than their own conclusions.

Creationists, for their part, at least can go back to God’s Word where He tells us some of this stuff.

So why would frevos object to ID/creation scientists being in the position of having to discern God’s motives.


53 posted on 04/09/2009 6:59:04 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

The subject in question fits a stereotype perfectly - the interviews I had dealt with that various stereotypes plus the study took place a few years back.

Now if you only put half as much effort into understanding science as you do into insulting others and spreading rumors.


54 posted on 04/09/2009 7:05:28 AM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: metmom

Who have I been rude or disrespectful to?


55 posted on 04/09/2009 7:06:04 AM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: wendy1946

Never been a member - I declined the invitation.


56 posted on 04/09/2009 7:06:33 AM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Should have pinged you to 54.


57 posted on 04/09/2009 7:08:49 AM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: DevNet

FOTFLOL!!!!!!

You can’t really be asking me that with a straight face....


58 posted on 04/09/2009 7:08:50 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Then it should be easy for you to provide examples.


59 posted on 04/09/2009 7:09:25 AM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: DevNet; GodGunsGuts
The subject in question fits a stereotype perfectly - the interviews I had dealt with that various stereotypes plus the study took place a few years back.

If that kind of conjecture is how you do science, it's no wonder you're sucked into believing that the ToE is a sound theory.

60 posted on 04/09/2009 7:10:15 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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