Guns on campus

San Marcos Record ^ | 5 April, 2009 | Anita Miller

[marktwain]

What a completely biased report.

[Puppage]

Had there been someone in that immigrant community center licensed to carry a concealed handgun who had drawn their weapon and ethnically resembled the shooter, police might have shot him by mistake.

Yeah, and if my Aunt had balls she'd be my Uncle.

[Puppage]

“We don’t think more guns on campus necessarily makes a safer campus,” said Diana Hendricks

Ah, we don't think.

No facts...just feeeeeeeeeeelings.

[thefactor]

wow. if it’s between some psycho with an AK and the cops, i’ll take my chances with dropping the psycho and convincing the cops i’m the good guy when the smoke has cleared.

[wolfcreek]

“Texas State Police Captain Paul Chapa acknowledges that such a shooting could happen here, but if it does and police were to encounter a student with a drawn but legal weapon, “We’re not going to ask where the concealed handgun permit is, we’re going to shoot.””

With the *average* response time for LEOs (especially campus cops), you could dispatch the perp and clean your weapon before they ever saw you.

[Travis McGee]

Chapa, like the rest of the university police force, has undergone “active shooter” training at the San Marcos-based Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training (ALERRT).

How did that work out at VPI, Binghamton etc? Cops wait outside until an hour until everybody is dead.

It's sure safer for the cops, but the disarmed dead victims? Not so good.

[Travis McGee]

And knit a sweater and complete your term paper.

[kittymyrib]

As though today’s police would actually enter a building while there is shooting going on! No, they hunker behind their vehicles, dressed up in their nifty black SWAT costumes, waiting until they are sure the gunman is finished his killing spree and has killed himself. And then they wait an extra hour, ensuring there will be fewer survivors.

Anyone with a CCP could kill the shooter and conceal the gun a hundred times over before encountering an LEO, so the danger mentioned in this anti-gun article is a fiction.

[iowamark]

Had there been someone in that immigrant community center licensed to carry a concealed handgun who had drawn their weapon and ethnically resembled the shooter, police might have shot him by mistake.

Someone with a weapon who knew how to use it could have saved at least some of the 13 who were murdered.

[DocH]

With the *average* response time for LEOs (especially campus cops), you could dispatch the perp and clean your weapon before they ever saw you.

EXACTLY.

I like what Mark Steyn said about MOST (not all) of them being...

"the world's most heavily armed and lavished equipped yellow-tape installers"

[Damifino]

Look at the police response time on this deal. Had one of the deceased been armed, it would have been very different. Either way, the the police get there just in time to do the work of a historian. The difference is in the lives of the innocent.

[DakotaRed]

All they need do is look back to the Pearl Mississisppi shooting a few years ago. Or, the Appalachian Law School incident.

Convenient how they never mention those.

[Jagdgewehr]

Chapa, like the rest of the university police force, has undergone “active shooter” training at the San Marcos-based Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training (ALERRT).

Well Captain, you didn't learn a damn thing then.

If you had the same scenario played out on a campus, you have 13 dead individuals before you even arrive.

This incident only proves how vulnerable Americans are without the means to protect themselves.

[MarkL]

In other words, "thank goodness none of the victims were armed! If one was armed, he might have stopped the murderous rampage early, and there might have been a case of mistaken identity! This way, it's so much easier to tell the good guys from the bad guys. The good guys are the ones laying in pools of blood."

Liberal logic at its finest!

Mark

[wolfcreek]

And for the extremely modest, never say a word.

[DakotaRed]

Had there been someone in that immigrant community center licensed to carry a concealed handgun who had drawn their weapon and ethnically resembled the shooter, police might have shot him by mistake.

Yet, our Troops, when accused of "shoot first, ask questions later" are brought up on murder charges and have their names bandied about the floor of Congress as "cold blooded killers."

[2ndClassCitizen]

State police Captain Paul Chapa is incompetent and should be removed.

His statement that anyone who has a firearm out will be shot, no questions asked is a deadly threat.

That Captain should be treated the same way the he expects to treat others.

If I am ever defending a person or myself by using my firearm, I will keep his statement in mind if the police show up.

[Washi]

I think an armed citizen would have plenty of time to neutralize the shooter, unload, and put down his gun before the police decided it was safe enough for them to go in.

Given the "first responders" proven tendency to arrive fashionably, and uselessly late, I'd take my chances.

[Jagdgewehr]

And indeed you should! Trust me, don’t trust the instincts of any police officers arriving to the scene. Most are young and very inexperienced. Some of those get very rattled or even downright frightened in these kind of incidents. Take my word for it as a LEO.

[TYVets]

Had there been someone in that immigrant community center licensed to carry a concealed handgun who had drawn their weapon and ethnically resembled the shooter, police might have shot him by mistake.

Since the police took an hour to enter the building the person or persons with conceal carry permits would have done what they could to protect others and then place a cell phone call to police.

Those with the permits would have made their presence felt within the first few seconds or minutes. Then 1 hour or 3 hours later police enter the building.

The person with concealed carry does what they can during the Columbine Delay.