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Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says
Los Angeles Times ^ | 4/2/09 | Jim Tankersley

Posted on 04/02/2009 11:50:21 PM PDT by Nachum

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To: Nachum

How did they go from “supply all our current energy needs” to “supply 20% of the coastal energy needs” in 2 paragraphs? Kind of a let-down.

My daughter asked why we didn’t just build a lot of nuclear reactors in the middle of nowhere, and I explained to her how transmission losses made that unfeasable.

She isn’t trained at all in electricity, but she understood.

Maybe someone should teach the Obama administration what a 15-year-old can understand.

If we put windmills off the coast in New England, we should put them closer to the Kennedy compound where there’s lot’s of hot air and wind.


41 posted on 04/03/2009 5:39:24 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: mad_as_he$$

We are close, but not quite, to where a house with a small cylinder-type wind turbine and solar collectors can, in many areas, be a zero-net energy consumer. For some that live away from major population centers, the additional cost can be worth it for the ability to be mostly self-sufficient.


42 posted on 04/03/2009 5:44:10 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Oh if you are not on the grid a combo of solar and wind is the answer. But to overhaul the current system to make it dependent on wind is just plain foolish. the Dutch are trying it and failing miserably.
43 posted on 04/03/2009 5:47:13 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: ABQHispConservative

Or when the winds not blowing. Or when it’s blowing TOO much.
And what about the poor little birdies that will get chopped. And how will the Kennedy’s and John Edwards deal with the view?


44 posted on 04/03/2009 5:49:53 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Requiescat In Pace)
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To: Nachum
The report says: "the most accessible and technically feasible sites for offshore turbines -- could produce at least 20% of the power demand for most coastal states, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said."

The headline says more than enough for all the US.

There is more than a slight difference between 20% of 'most' costal state energy needs, and all of US energy needs. Typical misleading journalists. Don't know squat.

45 posted on 04/03/2009 5:50:08 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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To: smokingfrog
"How well will these wind turbines be able to stand up to a hurricane?"

Not a hurricane, but you get the idea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nSB1SdVHqQ

46 posted on 04/03/2009 5:54:59 AM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: Nachum
...Wind turbines off U.S. coastlines could potentially supply more than enough electricity to meet the nation's current demand...

I guess they've never encountered a steel mill or an aluminum smelter.

There would never again be a decent photograph of the shoreline, or anywhwere else they put those infernal machines. The places in Kalifornica where windmills are located used to be pleasant scenery. They are UGLY with those stupid things.

47 posted on 04/03/2009 6:17:02 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: mad_as_he$$

It would of course be much easier and better for the environment to build nuclear plants.

I just don’t want us to blindly throw out the baby with the bathwater. Solar and wind aren’t really good “solutions” to the national energy grid, but they are actually close to being a good solution for localized generation.

And there is no reason they won’t get cheaper, even while oil and natural gas prices will inevitably rise. We aren’t running out of silicon or of sheet metal and copper cable.


48 posted on 04/03/2009 6:44:02 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: OBXWanderer

You can barely see those off-shore in California, although you can see them, if you squint your eyes... :-)


49 posted on 04/03/2009 7:53:34 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: CharlesWayneCT; mad_as_he$$

You said — “It would of course be much easier and better for the environment to build nuclear plants.”

Absolutely so, and I would also propose the “neighborhood nuke plants” too, which require no maintenance during their running period of time, before refilling is needed...


50 posted on 04/03/2009 7:55:11 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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Here are the neighborhood nuke plants that I’m talking about, requiring no human maintenance during its term of operations...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/09/miniature-nuclear-reactors-los-alamos#history-byline

http://www.hyperionpowergeneration.com/

These should be built all over the U.S. for easy and clean and relatively maintenance-free operations...


51 posted on 04/03/2009 8:30:53 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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Great idea - never going to happen in the US. The Canadians and the Mexicans should be building nukes next to the border.The sell us power when we run out.


52 posted on 04/03/2009 9:19:24 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Nachum

The production is the easy part. Did the geniuses factor in the TRANSPORT costs to get the power to actual customers?


53 posted on 04/03/2009 9:25:34 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: Nachum

Umm, sure. Right. The coastal states are going to allow windmills to interfere with the tourists’ view, and with navigation and with bird migrations (chopped birdies...).
Then, in the East, there’s bit about hurricanes, North Easters and such.
Yup. It will work great.
Just remember not to put any off Martha’s Vineyard where Teddie the Swimmer and his family might see them.


54 posted on 04/03/2009 9:41:08 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: eCSMaster

Photoshop, Texas


55 posted on 04/07/2009 9:49:37 AM PDT by smokingfrog (The man who killed Baby Beluga.)
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To: TigersEye
Apart from that nitpicking; I wonder how saturated with windmills America's coastal waters would need to be to provide "20% of the coastal states" electricity.

One more nitpick. A rather major nitpick, at that.

Every watt of wind generated power must be backed up by an equivalent watt of conventionally generated power. Otherwise, on those days when the wind stops blowing (or is blowing too hard), the coastal states would have no choice but to go dark.

The exact same is also true for solar generated power. No back-up, no "on" switch.

56 posted on 04/07/2009 10:04:37 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAItNSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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