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'Live Evolution' Not Witnessed After All
ICR ^ | March 23, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 03/23/2009 8:47:12 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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To: count-your-change
They already have the most modern means and knowledge to wage their jihad. It's the third century ideology underlying their jihad that's the problem.
61 posted on 03/23/2009 3:39:52 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Oh, kinda like these guys?

Oh no, I meant the ones about 200 million years upstream.

Remember, I specified "beentzy" wings worthless for anything except making the poor misbegotten possessor, thereof, more cumbersome, less well balanced and, ultimately, less fit to survive.

And when he dies (or is killed by his parents) since he was the only mutant that millennium or eon, sadly the evolutionary "march" had to be put on hold (again).

{But those are cute "artists renderings", no doubt generated from a bone fragment and a way too fertile imagination.}

62 posted on 03/23/2009 3:53:12 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: GodGunsGuts
Warning!
This is a Meta-article that contains
no site-specific scientifc data or research whatsoever
and is produced by a member of an obscure, unrecognized, non-scientific
internet group attempting to pass off his agenda as scholarly.
They are not constituted to provide proof of Creationism but instead
merely to snipe snidely and spam the internet with their Trollisms.
Buyer Beware!"

63 posted on 03/23/2009 3:54:48 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (Creationists on the internet: The Ignorant, amplifying the Stupid.)
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To: Sopater
It typically requires catastrophe of biblical proportions to get fossils in the first place.

Well, if you want to call biblical catastrophes "typical"...

64 posted on 03/23/2009 4:46:03 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Well, if you want to call biblical catastrophes "typical"...

No, biblical catastrophes aren't typical, but such catastrophes are typically required to create the conditions that would cause fossils such as we've seen with Archeopteryx.
65 posted on 03/23/2009 4:53:50 PM PDT by Sopater (I'm so sick of atheists shoving their religion in my face.)
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To: atlaw

Then what makes you think buying into Darwiniwm would change their ways for the better?


66 posted on 03/23/2009 4:56:06 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Gee, I don’t know. Maybe because “buying into” creationism doesn’t seem to have done them, or us, any favors. Whereas “buying into” the rationality of the scientific method has served the west pretty well.


67 posted on 03/23/2009 5:12:49 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: Cedric
Remember, I specified "beentzy" wings worthless for anything except making the poor misbegotten possessor, thereof, more cumbersome, less well balanced and, ultimately, less fit to survive.

Why should anything have "beentzy" wings, if wings evolved from arms (or front legs)? What, you think they grew wings and then lost their arms? You've been playing too much Spyro the Dragon.

And the artist renderings are based on about 9 pretty good casts, like this:

Interestingly, some of them show feather development on the hind legs, too, which is a pretty good indication that feathers had a purpose before the animals had wings as we know them today.

68 posted on 03/23/2009 5:18:40 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Sopater
No, biblical catastrophes aren't typical, but such catastrophes are typically required to create the conditions that would cause fossils such as we've seen with Archeopteryx.

Why? What does a catastrophic global flood do, fossil-wise, that local floods or slower processes couldn't do just as well?

69 posted on 03/23/2009 5:20:59 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: atlaw

You mean like the rational, scientific, modernist Germany?


70 posted on 03/23/2009 5:44:39 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: DallasMike

I have no problem with minor variations within kinds. For instance, I have no problem believing that all dogs descended from the original ancestral dog-type. However, I do have a problem with cows evolving from gophers. Not only is there no observational evidence for it, but it violates Genesis re: each organism reproducing after its own kind.

All the best—GGG


71 posted on 03/23/2009 6:23:06 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: count-your-change
You mean the Germany of 70 years ago? The Germany whose population at the time was manipulated by antisemitic propaganda that appealed to their protestant heritage, much like the middle eastern population today is being manipulated by antisemitic propaganda that appeals to their Islamic heritage? That Germany?

Or do you mean the contemporary Germany? The one where western science prevails, and where the theory of evolution is widely known and accepted by the population? The one that is a peaceful, prosperous, and civilized participant in western society?

Who is the threat today? The western societies that have accepted the reality of rational scientific investigation? Or the middle eastern societies that are mired in the mythological mumbo-jumbo of creationism?

If “evilution” leads so inexorably to mass murder, why are the “evilutionists” today the ones you choose to live amongst, instead of the wise and murderous creationists of the middle east?

72 posted on 03/23/2009 7:28:40 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: GodGunsGuts
I have no problem with minor variations within kinds. For instance, I have no problem believing that all dogs descended from the original ancestral dog-type. However, I do have a problem with cows evolving from gophers. Not only is there no observational evidence for it, but it violates Genesis re: each organism reproducing after its own kind.
We are in perfect agreement, my brother! Blessings to you.

73 posted on 03/23/2009 7:42:53 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: atlaw

Your grasp of history is, to be charitable, extremely weak.


74 posted on 03/23/2009 7:58:24 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Sopater

“But evolution is hit-or-miss proposition, and there’s much more miss than hit. The majority of genetic mutations have no effect whatsoever, but a very small percentage result in an adaptive improvement every few million years or so. The genetic accident that caused the first two-legged dinosaurs to sprout feathers 120 million or 130 million years ago provided one such improvement. Because feathers (like fur) provide good insulation, feathered dinosaurs in chilly climates had an adaptive advantage over their lizard-skinned cousins. These fluffy dinos lived longer and had more kids, and eventually in some parts of the world feathers became the norm rather than the exception.

As with so much in evolution, the true potential of feathers revealed itself very slowly. When they first appeared 100 million years ago, feathers were more like scraggly strands of hair than the majestic plumage found on birds today. The same process of slight, incremental genetic mutation that gave rise to feathers in the first place went to work in causing these feathers to grow to larger sizes. In addition to keeping dinosaurs warmer (which increased their chances for survival and allowed them to produce more offspring), this development also conferred an aerodynamic advantage.”

http://www.sparknotes.com/home/biology/article/from_scales_to_feathers.html


75 posted on 03/23/2009 8:18:25 PM PDT by Ira_Louvin
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To: ClearCase_guy
That is the convenient definition of evolution, chosen specifically so that Evos can say "evolution happens all the time".

Doesn't matter. You can only judge evolution by what it is, i.e. how it is defined scientifically, not by what YOU think it is, i.e. by your own personal definition. Typical mistake.

The important question is: can one species turn into another species? And so far, there is only speculation about that. There have been no observed cases.

There are countless examples of species separating and continuing on two different evolutionary paths. Case in point: Horse / donkey -> they can produce hybrids (mules), but those aren't fertile any more.
76 posted on 03/23/2009 9:20:19 PM PDT by wolf78 (Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender)
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To: DoctorMichael

Thanks, Doc!

Keep up the good work.


77 posted on 03/23/2009 9:25:34 PM PDT by wolf78 (Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender)
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To: Liberty1970
"This is why we believe the clothing we are wearing was intelligently designed, for example - not because we've seen the factory or the clothing designer at work, but because we all know and accept that nature doesn't produce blue jeans and shirts by itself. (If you say it's because you read the clothing tag, dear reader, I'll tear the tag off and paste it to a rock - do you then believe the rock was intelligently designed?)"

HAHAHAHA. So I take it you know bluejeans are designed and manufactured by humans not from the physical evidence, but from some sort of first principles? Please demonstrate your reasoning!

Also, how do you feel about bananas? Is their evident suitability for humans more proof of special creation?

hahaha, this is just too good. Philosophical reasoning for human manufacture of bluejeans! Why let a simple visit to a bluejeans factory decide things when you can invent crazy philosophical reasoning about it!

78 posted on 03/23/2009 10:42:20 PM PDT by oldmanreedy
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To: DoctorMichael
Psst, hey, doc!

Scroll down!



























Booo!

79 posted on 03/23/2009 11:56:19 PM PDT by Fichori (The only bailout I'm interested in is the one where the entire Democrat party leaves the county)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Nice try.

Okay, I'll play your shell game:

Explain this: How did the relatively huge hind legs (with or without feathers) which no doubt made flight impossible for eons make the creature more fit for survival during those scores of millions of years while its aforementioned legs became more spindly and, therefore, less able to walk, run and hunt but not yet skinny enough to facilitate flight?

80 posted on 03/24/2009 5:48:28 AM PDT by Cedric
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