Obama admin. to end use of term 'enemy combatant'

YahooNews ^ | 03/13/09 | YahooNews

[Finny]

Leftists just have a different definition for “freedom”. Freedom to them is the freedom from responsibility for your choices, not the freedom to succeed or fail based on your choices.

That's very well put.

[AH_LiveRight]

"On September 10, 2001, Hanjour, al-Mihdhar, and al-Hazmi checked into the Marriott Residence Inn in Herndon, Virginia where Saleh Ibn Abdul Rahman Hussayen, a prominent Saudi government official, was staying. No evidence was ever uncovered that they had met, or knew of each other's presence."

I guess this was a coincidence, and Saleh Hussayen was serving dates and lemons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hani_Hanjour

Here is a little on Saleh Hussayen, who was hustled out of the US-

"Saleh Ibn Abdul Rahman Hussayen (صالح ابن عبدالرحمن حسین) is a prominent Saudi government official who fell under suspicion following the Sept 11th attacks when it was discovered that three of the hijackers, Hani Hanjour, Khalid Almihdhar, and Nawaf Alhazmi had checked into the Marriott Residence Inn in Herndon, Virginia, the same hotel he was staying at, the night before the attacks.

He was questioned by the FBI shortly after the attacks, but reportedly feigned a seizure during the interview and was taken to a nearby hospital where it was reported he was in perfect health. Since then, no complicity has been proven and it remains murky whether his meeting with the hijackers was coincidental.

Several days later, once the ban on International flights has been lifted, he was allowed to leave the United States and return to Saudi Arabia, where he was named a new Minister over two prominent mosques.

Throughout much of the 1990s, he acted as director for the SAAR Foundation which has been accused of supplying terrorist groups with illicit funding.

His nephew, Sami Omar Al-Hussayen, was arrested on charges of visa fraud, and later conspiring to provide material support to terrorists. He was not found guilty on any of the charges, and was willingly deported back to Saudi Arabia."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saleh_Ibn_Abdul_Rahman_Hussayen

Nope, no Saudi officials had any clue at all. Look, I am not a freakin "Troofer". But if it walks, talks, and looks like a duck; it is a duck.

[TigersEye]

I'll give you credit. You came up with something. But the sum total of it is that one Saudi official and his nephew were suspected of helping terrorists.

But to get back to the original point. The point being that we can and have declared war on enemies without naming a specific country. I made that point by bringing up the Barbary pirates. In response to that you posted to me...

So the Kingdom of Saudia Arabia is not any one country?

I still can't figure out what sense that made even if you can make a case for declaring war on the KSA. It doesn't address the point I made in any way.

[TigersEye]

Your post #59 makes a case that the Saudi gov was opposed to bin Laden’s terrorist efforts. How is that supportive of your point?

[Finny]

Words have meaning. “enemy combatant” has a very specific meaning and is recognized by international law. Bush applied it properly.

The left continues to destroy words and their meaning. They take words and blacklist them so that can be no longer used without fear. Then other words they redefine to suit their purposes. To “contribute” went from being a voluntary action to being done by force - which is ultimately slavery.

Great observation. Another example: the word "liberal." Hijacked and redefined by the left. "Left" is a much a better word, as "A wise man's heart inclines him toward the right, but a fool's heart toward the left." (Eccl. 10:2)

Can I add another one? Gay/minority/women's/children's/animal "rights." For example, when the phrase "gay rights" is applied, it actually prohibits other people from their right to discriminate, via free choice in their personal and professional lives, against open homosexuality -- from Boy Scout troop leaders and high school plays to matchmaking services like eharmony.

"Rights" are not extended -- they are removed.

[AH_LiveRight]

Some folks distrust Wiki, and with sound reason. Here is a more comprehensive compendium:
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=saleh_ibn_abdul_rahman_hussayen

[AH_LiveRight]

Sorry for the confusion. I had meant to reply to #44, who had asserted that the captured terrorists did not represent any one country. The attacks on us were done by Saudi Nationals in the name of “Palestinians” (Jordanians led by an Egyptian adherent to the Saudi Muslim Brotherhood).
The whole concept that we could not declare war on an ideology has a small degree of merit. The Barbary example that you cite does give a pretty valid basis for waging war wherever Saudi Wahhabi operatives are found.I simply espouse a much more direct route.

[TigersEye]

Sorry for the confusion.

Stuff happens.

I had meant to reply to #44,...

That makes all the difference in the world.

[armymarinemom]

Formal Enemy Combatant
now Just A Bad Boy

Elections Matter!

[MaxMax]

Because Terrorists aren't recognized under the Geneva.
In WW2 they'd be lined up and SHOT for not being in a uniform.