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Molecular Clocks Are Preset to Evolution (the circular nature of evolutionary "dating" methods)
ICR ^ | March 10, 2009 | Brian Thomas

Posted on 03/10/2009 12:44:06 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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1 posted on 03/10/2009 12:44:07 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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2 posted on 03/10/2009 12:44:59 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

There’s a guy in India who has a tree growing out of his ear.


3 posted on 03/10/2009 12:45:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GodGunsGuts

Oh Puhleeeease


4 posted on 03/10/2009 12:45:58 PM PDT by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

LOL!

The biotechnology guy is using press releases for references now.


5 posted on 03/10/2009 12:48:11 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

I see press releases mentioned or cited in popular Evo science mags like New Scientist, etc. So what’s your point?


6 posted on 03/10/2009 12:52:32 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

That you still think popular magazines are the best sources for detailed discussions of science.

It’s like reading Reader’s Digest to determine the authority of Scripture.

I’m not surprised though. Mr. Thomas does this quite a bit in his articles.


7 posted on 03/10/2009 1:04:31 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: GodGunsGuts

they don’t support his position so they are not relevant. Whe they do support his position they they are the ultimate in proven fact. Evolutionary scientist do not lie or miss use facts to support their claim! You know, like global warming.


8 posted on 03/10/2009 1:07:05 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Really! It's time; NOW)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Actually, I recently read in a secular science newsletter that the sheer number of just the abstracts from each scientific discipline could fill up many phone books per year. Scientists were quoted saying that the sheer volume of these mostly inconsequential scientific papers are impossible to keep up with, and that many scientists learn about the latest discoveries in publications such as the New York Times!


9 posted on 03/10/2009 1:11:18 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

This guy makes it up as he goes along. He doesn’t even cross reference his own output. In the ‘article’ were he claimed that fish could handle the salinity (or lack of it) of The Flood, he ignored another piece he’d written where he claimed the waters would have been moving at over 80m per second to account for the geological reformation of the earth. Hardy beasts those flood fishes.


10 posted on 03/10/2009 1:16:01 PM PDT by Natufian (The mesolithic wasn't so bad, was it?)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I keep seeing this "Brian Thomas, M.S." guy on all of these articles. Since he lists "M.S." after his name on every one (something that most people I know who have Master's degrees don't really do... and I know quite a few), and since I'm assuming the M.S. doesn't stand for multiple sclerosis, I'm curious what discipline his Master of Science is in exactly.

The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks.

11 posted on 03/10/2009 1:18:18 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
That you still think popular magazines are the best sources for detailed discussions of science.

So any time a science mag references a press release, the article is to be discounted. Got it.

12 posted on 03/10/2009 1:24:30 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
I keep seeing this "Brian Thomas, M.S." guy on all of these articles.

I love this guy! I'm starting to picture him as the Billy Mays of anti-evolutionists. "Hi, Brian Thomas here to show you an easy way to dismiss scientific findings outright with just a wave of your hand!"

13 posted on 03/10/2009 1:27:16 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: GodGunsGuts
Can you add me to your ping list? Instead of assuming evolution and then deriving a date by evaluating the difference between two populations, it is now becoming possible to measure the mutation rate in each population and derive the 'separation time' by this empirical evidence. (Of course this assumes that the two populations truly are related - the method can be applied quite easily to non-related populations, yielding a fictitious result.)

At any rate, it should be possible, for example, to look at the variation in the human genome, the human mutation rate (ala Dr. Sanford's work on genomic entropy) and derive an estimate for the date of Eve. The data I've seen to date has supported the biblical timeframe, though some of the methodology on the studies done back in the 90's is in question (which is why we haven't heard more about it yet). It will be interested to see what the GENE project and similar endeavors turn up.

14 posted on 03/10/2009 1:28:05 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
radiometric dating is calibrated to accepted ages of fossils

Not true. Radiometric dating is based on calculations from physical constants (decay rates of radioisotopes), and is not dependent on fossil evidence. However, radiometric dating can be used to determine absolute ages of strata in which fossils appear. There are different methods of radiometric dating using various isotopes, so ages from one method can sometimes be confirmed by using other methods. The evidence for the great antiquity of the earth (and of life on earth) is simply overwhelming.

16 posted on 03/10/2009 2:20:51 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

“You Evos dismiss scientific integrity outright with just a wave of your hand!”

There, fixed it for ya.


17 posted on 03/10/2009 2:32:48 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: muawiyah

He should have his ears cleaned more often.


18 posted on 03/10/2009 2:32:53 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

Maybe the M.S. refers to this job:

“Molecular Scientist

JOB SUMMARY:

Ikonysis has an immediate opening for an outstanding individual with proven ability in molecular biology and molecular genetics. The laboratory will expand the capabilities of its automated microscope to process a number of clinically relevant cytogenetic samples; the laboratory will expand the platforms growing diagnostic molecular biology and FISH components. Responsibilities of the position will include conceptualizing and undertaking research activities related to the development of new products, establishing and monitoring quality-control/quality-assurance activities, implementing new technologies, and troubleshooting problems encountered in the day-to-day activities of the laboratory. The preferred candidate should have at least 2 years of relevant experience at the postdoctoral level in a relevant field. Salary will be commensurate with experience.”


19 posted on 03/10/2009 2:33:26 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: hellbender

For a great summary of the problems with radiometric dating (to include circular calibration methods), please see the following:

http://www.detectingdesign.com/radiometricdating.html


20 posted on 03/10/2009 2:41:07 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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