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Smart Grid: Government spying targets Rural America [read this - Big Brother insists]
RFD America ^ | March, 2009 | admin

Posted on 03/07/2009 4:01:51 PM PST by upchuck

Edited on 03/07/2009 4:07:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Erik Latranyi
Like firearms, these technologies are tools that can be used for good or evil. Opposing them simply because they can be misused is not logical.

You statement seems irrational, but let me try to understand.

Are saying, that with all of the intrusions into our daily lives by government, and there are quite literally thousands upon thousands of such stories here on FreeRepublic alone, that it is not logical to oppose giving the government ANOTHER tool to intrude in our lives?

41 posted on 03/07/2009 5:29:23 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If Liberals would pay their taxes, there would be no deficit..)
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To: huldah1776

Notice the use of the “in” vs “on” the hand, on these versions.

Thought you might find this interesting:

International Standard Version (2008)
The second beast forces all people-important and unimportant, rich and poor, free and slaves-to be marked on their right hands or on their foreheads,

New American Standard Bible (1995)
And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,

GOD’S WORD® Translation (1995)
The second beast forces all people-important and unimportant people, rich and poor people, free people and slaves-to be branded on their right hands or on their foreheads.

King James Bible
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

American King James Version
And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

American Standard Version
And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead;

Bible in Basic English
And he gives to all, small and great, the poor and those who have wealth, the free and those who are not free, a mark on their right hand or on their brows;

Douay-Rheims Bible
And he shall make all, both little and great, rich and poor, freemen and bondmen, to have a character in their right hand, or on their foreheads.

Darby Bible Translation
And it causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bondmen, that they should give them a mark upon their right hand or upon their forehead;

English Revised Version
And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead;

Webster’s Bible Translation
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Weymouth New Testament
And he causes all, small and great, rich and poor, free men and slaves, to have stamped upon them a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,

World English Bible
He causes all, the small and the great, the rich and the poor, and the free and the slave, to be given marks on their right hands, or on their foreheads;

Young’s Literal Translation
And it maketh all, the small, and the great, and the rich, and the poor, and the freemen, and the servants, that it may give to them a mark upon their right hand or upon their foreheads,


42 posted on 03/07/2009 5:35:01 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: familyop

That sounds like 60WPM Badot TTY (not Muxed). Ocassionally shifting freqency.

I thought you were describing a “Hell Scriber” transmission.

Had never heard of a SZ42 cipher machine.

Most of the WWII crypto was encoded on a mechanical rotary encrypter, and then sent in Morse with a key.

Received in Morse and decoded with a like mechanical rotary encrypter (decrypter).


43 posted on 03/07/2009 5:45:52 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Erik Latranyi

Opposing them on the right to privacy and secure in our homes, the 4th and 5th amendments, the 9th and 10th amendments, are always to be encouraged.


44 posted on 03/07/2009 5:45:57 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: MichiganConservative

I don’t know, but it is something to research.


45 posted on 03/07/2009 5:57:52 PM PST by JSDude1 (R(epublicans) In Name Only SUCK; D(emocrats) In Name Only are worth their weight..)
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To: upchuck

If you’re like me, and do a lot of canning, you’re probably thinking, “so what?”

No-no-no selfish person! How dare you be self sufficient! Dontcha know that you may only obtain nourishment from the approved Food Collective Distribution Centre? All private gardens must be razed, following the example of Prophet Stalin!


46 posted on 03/07/2009 5:58:47 PM PST by Fred Hayek (Leftism is a mental disorder.)
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To: upchuck

They replaced the 100ft or so dishes in geosync orbit with 350ft units. They unfold like some sci-fi umbrella and have great precision and are deformable on command. They are so sensitive that if pointed at Mars they can contact the rovers there directly....just imagine what that sort of DB gain is like pointed at the ground only 23,000 miles away. 23k miles is right next door for a 350ft dish. Weightlessness allows for such spindly dish designs....they would never work on the ground with earths gravity.....for one thing the wind would blow em away like giant kites.

Use a solar panel array to charge up a small bank of hi capacity capacitors and discharge them into a solid state transmitter at the focal point of such a dish in orbit and the multi-Gigawatt+ pulse could activate passive hi freq rfid devices on the ground and the incredibly weak return signal could be read by the 350’ dish with its super-cooled front end.....makes one think don’t it.

As a ham operator I salivate over the capabilities of such a system :-)

For you hams out there just run the DB gain numbers and do the math....the level of weak signal they can read from 23k miles is simply awesome! With the dish conformed to its tightest beamwidth and considering the super cooled front end components you would be talking of gains above 80DBi
...perhaps several db above 80! a single milliwatt at the feedpoint of such a dish could cover the earth with a signal easily readable by handheld receivers. It would be easy to generate a megawatt+ signal at the feedpoint for a tiny fraction of a second....imagine the rf power at ground level from that pulse!


47 posted on 03/07/2009 5:58:51 PM PST by Bobalu (McCain has been proven to be the rino flop I always thought he was.)
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To: Texas Fossil
"Had never heard of a SZ42 cipher machine."

Here's some information on the history of that.

Beating Colossus: an interview with Joachim Schueth (NetBSD.org)

Software for Codebreaking of the Lorenz SZ42


48 posted on 03/07/2009 6:00:39 PM PST by familyop (As painful as the global laxative might be, maybe our "one world" needs a good cleaning.)
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To: upchuck

We are catching up with England. Surely we will surpass that little country.


49 posted on 03/07/2009 6:03:12 PM PST by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: Texas Fossil


The Lorenz machine:








50 posted on 03/07/2009 6:06:23 PM PST by familyop (As painful as the global laxative might be, maybe our "one world" needs a good cleaning.)
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To: Texas Fossil
"A country boy can survive"

I hear ya!

51 posted on 03/07/2009 6:09:54 PM PST by MountainDad
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To: devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; MeekOneGOP; dixiechick2000; upchuck; All

52 posted on 03/07/2009 6:24:24 PM PST by potlatch
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To: Erik Latranyi

The government will use these things. Therefore i.e. ergo thus they will be “misused.” They will be used to control people and movement.


53 posted on 03/07/2009 6:27:55 PM PST by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: familyop

Interesting.

Most of their work references NetBSD. I considered that before I started using Linux 10 years ago. It can be one of the most secure operating systems.

I DID NOT like what I found in FreeBSD. It is a fine OS, but the people who develop and maintain it are so openly Anti-Christian that I wanted to throw up.

History is something I enjoy studying, but the state of the art in cryptography and RF electronics have moved so far from the crude technology of WWII, that I could not see spending my limited time studying something like what they were working on.

I know they saw a challenger trying to use today’s technology to break this. But it is not for me.


54 posted on 03/07/2009 6:28:56 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Erik Latranyi

I don’t think anyone here is opposing monitoring technologies per se. However, I hope all of us oppose their use by the state to keep tabs on the citizenry in general.

A business wants to monitor energy use throughout its facilities as a way of cutting costs? Three cheers for monitoring technology! A homeowner wants to do the same. Again three cheers! Want to keep tabs on a convicted felon? So long as, under due process of law, some monitoring was imposed by a duly constituted court as part of a sentence, I don’t think we’ll have much trouble with that, two cheers for monitoring techology used that way.

Using it so Big Brother can watch our electric bills, on the other hand is automatically misuse for those of us who still believe in liberty.

The combination of stupidity and hypocrisy evident on the left is stagger: signals intelligence intercepts of communications involving suspected terrorists outside the United States magically gets transmuted into “domestic surveillance” if it targets transmissions into or through the United States and is a hideous threat to civil liberties, but a government mandated program to check when and how much electricity we all use somehow runs into no problems with the Fourth Amendment.


55 posted on 03/07/2009 6:30:20 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: familyop

Thanks for the pic.

It looks interesting. A mechanical puzzle.

Think about it today, it is just software.

Amazing.
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I have home-brewed several TTY decoders and AFSK generators. My first TTY decoder was a Tube Type Twin Cities Unit. Many years ago.


56 posted on 03/07/2009 6:33:15 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: potlatch

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Excellent potlatch!

You always come up with great animated graphics!


57 posted on 03/07/2009 6:40:23 PM PST by devolve (-- When Hussein II goes to the john - It is a "summit" --)
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To: devolve

Thank you devolve. That was a quick one as I had the bar code gif.


58 posted on 03/07/2009 6:46:56 PM PST by potlatch
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To: Texas Fossil
"Most of their work references NetBSD. I considered that before I started using Linux 10 years ago. It can be one of the most secure operating systems.

Yes, and they lean toward BSD software licensing whenever possible: much more friendly for business than the Linux GPL.

"I DID NOT like what I found in FreeBSD. It is a fine OS, but the people who develop and maintain it are so openly Anti-Christian that I wanted to throw up."

A lot of Linux developers and users moved into FreeBSD quite a few years ago. FreeBSD kernel code is junkier and too connected to userland and third-party application code.

You might also find the rhetorical fallout between Theo De Raadt (originally from SA) and other NetBSD developers to be interesting. De Raadt started the OpenBSD project. He's been quite anti-American, although our Defense gave $1 million or more to him for a cooperative project years ago. ...last that I looked, ANL and other US labs were still using and offering OpenBSD. But since then, NetBSD admins. and developers have also worked more on crypto for their system.

I haven't seen anything about politics in NetBSD development, although it's likely that some political speech has happened.

"History is something I enjoy studying, but the state of the art in cryptography and RF electronics have moved so far from the crude technology of WWII, that I could not see spending my limited time studying something like what they were working on."

Yes. We'll get to play with light waves from nano-tech., after the military has had its way with that for a few years. As for cryptography, there's too much historical information for any one person to absorb. These days, cryptographers tend to study a lot of math, a little older history, then they study only a few algorithms from more recent crypto history followed by labs.

It's easy to help with the NetBSD project. More user-testers are certainly needed and welcome, and the developers are very businesslike, as far as I've seen. Reminds me that I need to submit some kernel and other configs and logs tonight. ;-)

BTW, a British group is analyzing TCP and looking either at finding ways to secure it or develop a new protocol. There are piggyback (frequency) holes and other negative possibilities with TCP. ...will try to relocate a link to that.


59 posted on 03/07/2009 6:52:54 PM PST by familyop (As painful as the global laxative might be, maybe our "one world" needs a good cleaning.)
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To: Texas Fossil
"I have home-brewed several TTY decoders and AFSK generators. My first TTY decoder was a Tube Type Twin Cities Unit. Many years ago."

Now that looks like fun! I'd been hoping to find time to play with a radio unit with tubes but am leaning more toward figuring out how to effectively shield a passively cooled computer/commo closet at low cost.

IMO, our leaders have been a little too proud over the past few decades. Now they're even intentionally ignorant in allowing economic policies in favor of a few to dominate policies instead of paying attention to needed defense measures and traditional economic policies for most other Americans.


60 posted on 03/07/2009 7:00:16 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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