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How we got into this mess
Vanity ^ | 3-1-08 | Dangus

Posted on 03/01/2009 10:30:02 AM PST by dangus

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1 posted on 03/01/2009 10:30:02 AM PST by dangus
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email this to Michael Steele.


2 posted on 03/01/2009 10:33:04 AM PST by DDLL
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How? Because its true what my dad used to say - people are idiots.


3 posted on 03/01/2009 10:33:26 AM PST by svcw
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This was a setup folks. Started with CRA’s and mortgages started by lawyers like Obama who di it as a community organzier. Virus was placed in banks through fellow travelers working at Fannie & Freddie. Pelosi and Reid NO Energy Policy drives oil abd gas prices to $4+ a gallon.

Bear market raids by Soros, Flower and John Paulson leading up to october. Bush and Paulson panic etc etc. TV News and MSM newspaper media 100% behind Obama.

Obama keeps pushing panic to push socialism. I wonder if this is what really happened in 1929 and FDR.

The newspapers are dying but the TV news media will lead us to serfdom and Islamification. ACORN and their sister group SEIU will keep the Dems in power forever. The GOP has it’s hopes on 2010 but ACORN may throw monkey wrenh into that plan.

We need to boycott and cancel cable and sat TV unless someone has another idea.


4 posted on 03/01/2009 10:35:35 AM PST by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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The tough part is when you boycott it all, your boycott becomes 100% ineffective. (Which is not to say that youre boycott wouldn’t have personal benefits.) But if you punish the decent programming with the bad programming, they just decide you’re unreachable and give up on you.

(IOW: The Amish never affected a programming decision.)

The problem: Is there any good TV?


5 posted on 03/01/2009 10:38:58 AM PST by dangus
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Your analysis misses an obvious point. The Republicans compromise on these things and are blamed for these things because that is the agenda of the MSM.

We have a very hard time winning because the MSM set the agenda and formulate the rules of the debate. Obama is almost entirely a product of the MSM. The whole Acorn, sub-prime lending scandal is a product of the MSM setting the debate.

Visionary, principled Republicans are demonized and delegitimized by the MSM. Unless you have pulpit such as Rush does to defend yourself, Republicans have very little way to defend themselves against the MSM onslaught.

The MSM was taken over by so called “Progressives” long ago. If we are to win, we need to keep finding ways to work around them, convert them, or create alternative means of educating the public.

6 posted on 03/01/2009 10:39:07 AM PST by marktwain
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>> Your analysis misses an obvious point. The Republicans compromise on these things and are blamed for these things because that is the agenda of the MSM. <<\

No, I don’t miss that point. But we can’t control the media. We CAN control who we select to represent us in our primaries, and we can urgently and strongly denounce those fools among us who say, “Yes, but [the pragmatic guy] is more electable than [the ideologue].” We can Micheal Steele and George Will to shut the hell up and listen to Rush Limbaugh instead.


7 posted on 03/01/2009 10:41:47 AM PST by dangus
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There is almost no good TV. It is a form of control and manipulation. Most Americans will stick with TV and let their kids be sold into serfdom because they cannot miss American Idol or a ball game.

If 30 million people cancelled cable/sat TV then we might get some unbiased TV news coverage. FOX is around 15%(?) owned by Saudis. They are the money behind getting O elected.


8 posted on 03/01/2009 10:46:28 AM PST by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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“Yes, but [the pragmatic guy] is more electable than [the ideologue].”


You have correctly identified the ratchet the MSM uses to drive us toward the left.


9 posted on 03/01/2009 10:46:30 AM PST by marktwain
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This part I agree with:

>> If we are to win, we need to keep finding ways to work around them, convert them, or create alternative means of educating the public. <<

But we have to realize that our elected officials are an important voice in educating the public. They represent us. And when Bob Dole, George Bush, John McCain and their ilk attack conservatism, we need to look for better leaders. It may be wise to vote for George Bush over John Kerry in the general, but it’s fatal to vote for an Arlen Specter over a Brian Toomey in the primary.


10 posted on 03/01/2009 10:46:56 AM PST by dangus
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Pragmatic conservative = I'm a principled conservative until it costs me something.

Compassionate conservative = I'm a principled conservative until my "feelings" get involved.

Put them together and you have a liberal.

11 posted on 03/01/2009 10:48:40 AM PST by Prokopton
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>> “Yes, but [the pragmatic guy] is more electable than [the ideologue].” You have correctly identified the ratchet the MSM uses to drive us toward the left. <<

Not just the MSM. Do you remember some of the abject hatred and venom on FR, by the supporters of Arnold Schwartzenegger for McClintock supporters?


12 posted on 03/01/2009 10:50:53 AM PST by dangus
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To: svcw

>> How? Because its true what my dad used to say - people are idiots. <<

I’m trying to address the causes we can do something about. :^)


13 posted on 03/01/2009 10:53:07 AM PST by dangus
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Nicely written. But this won't sell to the average liberal because the average liberal only cares about abstract concepts like 'equality' and 'fairness' and that everyone gets a 'slice of the pie' regardless of their ability to earn it. They aren't interested in reasoning. The Democrat politicians on the other hand knew full well what they were doing, but to them it was only about buying off a numerical majority of voters using your tax money.
14 posted on 03/01/2009 10:54:40 AM PST by libh8er
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I’m not trying to sell it to the average liberal. Conservatives outnumber liberals. My main focus is first on the conservative core, then on the on-again-off-again conservatives.


15 posted on 03/01/2009 11:00:27 AM PST by dangus
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But we can’t control the media

It is a form of control and manipulation.

Why is it that we can't control the media? The liberals do. Is there something fundamental that lets liberals control the media but prevents conservatives from doing so?

Of course not. Liberals control much of the media because they own or control a large potion of the media outlets. Were they given this ownership/control? No, they put their money where their mouths are and they bought it. Liberals are willing to invest in a propaganda machine that gets their message across even if they are not the best monetary investments. The "pragmatic" conservatives look for the best monetary return on their investment and will not take less to advance their political beliefs.

The liberals control the MSM fair and square, they were not given control by the government nor did they steal it from conservatives.

As long as conservatives believe their "pragmatism" is more important than their ideology, they should quit whining about the MSM and liberal control of the media.

16 posted on 03/01/2009 11:00:29 AM PST by Prokopton
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We’ve seen big government statists in the guise of:

Compassionate conservatives.

Pragmatic conservatives.

Moderate conservatives.

Centrist conservatives.

Maverick conservatives.

Wouldn’t it be nice to just see a...conservative, minus the need to qualify it?


17 posted on 03/01/2009 11:00:55 AM PST by DPMD (~)
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"We need to boycott and cancel cable and sat TV unless someone has another idea."

Already done years ago. Man the lifeboats.

18 posted on 03/01/2009 11:01:20 AM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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". . . Here's how they were created: Democrats were frustrated that banks didn't grant as many loans to black people as they did to white people."

Sorry, but that's not what happened. True, some of the early legislative meddling in increasing mortgage availability to minorities set the stage for the subsequent banking collape, but it wasn't subprimes to blacks - there just weren't enough of them to make it happen.

". . . but with government-mandated population growth (20 million immigrants), growth in demand outstripped growth in supply.

Aha! - Here is where the author gets it right, except for the number, which is really closer to 30-40 million illegals in the USA, which will be validated after amnesty when the applications come in.

It was not until there was a huge demand for housing these tens of millions of illegal aliens starting after 2001, that the subprime lenders could find enough customers (suckers) to let the subprime market grow out of sight, and allow a huge Ponzi base to support the derivataive phony financial paper that leveraged the already out of control subprimes to the trillions of CDOs and Mortgage-based bonds that were guaranteed to go into default.

The real story is how well the media, RINOs, and Democrats have covered up that prime causation of today's meltdown because they did not want to jeopardize their open borders agenda.

19 posted on 03/01/2009 11:04:48 AM PST by oldbill
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The liberals don’t CONTROL the media; the liberals ARE the media.

I think conservatives have focused too long on control; we have to focus on the arts; we have to develop ways of expressing conservatism and our values beyond pleading for a fair shot at air time. But every level of creative expression in America hates conservatives.

(This may have partly to do with funding; liberals only bought avant-garde because they reject the classics!)


20 posted on 03/01/2009 11:07:25 AM PST by dangus
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