Posted on 02/19/2009 9:16:25 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
They’ve just substituted one god for another.
And almost any god will do, just so long as they can hide their faces from the one true God.
Creationist scientists have a long and proud tradition in science. They have made some of the most significant discoveries, and in many cases launched entire disciplines within science. To deny this, is to deny history.
Evolution and Christianity are perfectly compatible.
Science consists of asking questions, while creationists have their answers already. Once you have the question, science formulates a hypothesis on what the answer might be, then tests that hypothesis to arrive at the solution. Creationists have their solution, so whatever investigating they might do is designed solely to confirm what they already believe, not discover that which they do not know. Call it what you want, creationism is not science.
You've got it precisely backwards...everytime I see this impotent nonsense I'm reminded of this chemist's observations:
As a chemist, the most fascinating issue for me revolves around the origin of life. Before life began, there was no biology, only chemistry – and chemistry is the same for all time. What works (or not) today, worked (or not) back in the beginning. So, our ideas about what happened on Earth prior to the emergence of life are eminently testable in the lab. And what we have seen thus far when the reactions are left unguided as they would be in the natural world is not much. Indeed, the decomposition reactions and competing reactions out distance the synthetic reactions by far. It is only when an intelligent agent (such as a scientist or graduate student) intervenes and “tweaks” the reactions conditions “just right” do we see any progress at all, and even then it is still quite limited and very far from where we need to get. Thus, it is the very chemistry that speaks of a need for something more than just time and chance. And whether that be simply a highly specified set of initial conditions (fine-tuning) or some form of continual guidance until life ultimately emerges is still unknown. But what we do know is the random chemical reactions are both woefully insufficient and are often working against the pathways needed to succeed. For these reasons I have serious doubts about whether the current Darwinian paradigm will ever make additional progress in this area.
Edward Peltzer
Ph.D. Oceanography, University of California, San Diego (Scripps Institute)
Associate Editor, Marine Chemistry
So we see plainly, that science indeed asks questions...
but we also see plainly that not only do creationists not "have their answers already" but have also been overly patient with Darwinists.
Call it what you want but the cult of darwin is not science.
Not so with evolution. Evolutionist “have their solution, so whatever ivestigating they might do is designed solely to confirm what they already believe.”
Your memo isn't getting out. Not only are they not compatable but godless NEA liberals ensured that any chance that they may have had to be compatable, has long since been destroyed.
You have to be a real dullard these days to not understand public schools don't even allow God on failed public school grounds, at least as much as they can control, much less in science class.
Yeah, it’s out.
BTW—I would love to see religion taught, discussed, and practiced in public schools. Not in science class, though.
Science asks questions, Creationists give up. You have your intelligent designer to fall back on as an explanation for anything too difficult to tackle or that doesn't fit your results. You reach a point and then chalk the rest up as unexplainable.
Call it what you want but the cult of darwin is not science.
Science based on one deity is science but science based on another is not?
I don’t praise pond scum, no matter how evolved it says it is.
Wrong, falling back on God, as you put it, merely illustrates I don’t know it all.
Now do you see where you fall into that picture?
Of course not.
BTW...your best alternative is life just scurried out of mud, for no reason whatsoever, by total chance, with no purpose, all by itself, with no intelligence, and no design.
BTW—I would love to see religion taught, discussed, and practiced in public schools. Not in science class, though.
It is in some schools, but it’s not taught properly and not even remotely fairly. It’s a scatter-brained liberal mess and it shows.
But why do you think it’s so impoprtant to confuse children with statements like “God doesn’t belong in science class”?
“But why do you think it’s so impoprtant to confuse children with statements like “God doesn’t belong in science class”?”
I din’t say that. I said that raligion should not be taught as science. It is truly an injustice to students to provide instruction that the allegorical creation story is valid science.
I don’t want math taught in history class, either. Although, come to think of it, that may not be such a bad idea...
Why would it confuse children to tell them that science limits itself to phenomena that can be empirically verified.
No reason to claim that everything can be empirically verified, but those things than can’t are not part of science.
That’s what a science class is supposed to do—I’d have no objections.
I din’t say that. I said that raligion should not be taught as science. It is truly an injustice to students to provide instruction that the allegorical creation story is valid science.
I don’t want math taught in history class, either. Although, come to think of it, that may not be such a bad idea...
*Sigh*,
I didn’t say you said that...I’m pointing out that the FACT is this is exactly what IS being said in public schools today...and this is what you’re ultimately defending.
Maybe you can “think” a little more....like teen pregnancy no longer IS teen pregnancy and now little girls as young as 10 are getting pregnant...AND when they are, they’re whisked off to abortion clinics without parental consent or even knowledge.
or...
grades plummeting...to the point most kids can’t compete with other countries when it comes to...
shocking I know...
science...
Meanwhile kids homeschooled or private schooled WITHOUT all the endless hang-ups with God, are performing better in science and indeed ALL subjects...
so is it really THAT important to socialize kids into godless science?
What is it you hope to achieve?
Should science stop investigating prayer, for instance?
“Maybe you can “think” a little more...”
The creationist’s last word! At least you put it in quotes!
Maybe you can “think” a little more...”
The creationist’s last word! At least you put it in quotes!
Ummm Buck?
It wasn’t the last word, not in the sentence...not in the post...not in the thread... ;)
I was seriously trying to get you to understand the godless liberal secular humanist hijacking of public schools to socialize kids with PC gobbledeygook, has led to failure upon failure in multiple multiple ways:
No dodgeball, bad for self-esteem.
No score-keeping, everyone’s a winner.
Everyone gets a trophy, because everyone’s a champ!
Everyone is special and unique...all 300 million+ of us.
And above all NO GOD allowed!
Because we don’t want to hurt the poor little Michael Newdow’s feelings and make him feel UN-special, do we?
Besides, “we don’t have TIME to address eveyone’s idea of God”...Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Marshall Applewhite’s...
(and I guess we’re all just supposed to ignore that all religions get pretty much a free pass except the dominant majority religion upon which the nation was founded, nevermind the enemy will do anything and everything to hide the truth!)
And this thinking is what’s led people to demand kids sing ‘O Christmas Tree’ in a Florida school, as ‘O Holiday Tree’ now; you know, the politically correct liberal way.
I ask how old you are to also see if you have any concept of what this country achieved before the NEA liberals hijacked public schools, before prayer was banned and before children were actually threatened with arrest if they dared thanking Jesus at their graduation, in order, with His help, to SURVIVE such a debacle!
I won’t get into the Constitution with you...
I’d still in fact like to see if you truly understand what Christianity actually means though.
I’d happily answer ALL your questions if you simply know what it is you’re asking about, that’s all.
Not trying to be cute or “proselytize”, it’s just that secular schools have NO IDEA, and of course I have ZERO idea where you learned it.
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Cottshop:
We fully accept that Christians CAN indeed be in error- but we also know that many people CALL themselves Christians, but haven’t truly accepted the Gift of Salvation, and therefore are spiritually blind still- Lot’s of people love calling htemselves Christians, but aren’t God’s children simply because htey have never taken the step of accepting Christ as Savior...”
What absolute rot! You first say that my post is inaccurate, then you proceed to recite all the reasons that non-literalists aren’t real Christians! Sorry, but this post is a parody of your own position.
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You see...this pretty much convinced me I needed to ask you!
The only place I would disagree with Cottshop here is that we are ALL God’s children, but he’s absolutely correct in all his other observations IMO, and I think cottshop would agree with me that we are God’s children but not all His children will be going to heaven...
for instance...when Adolf Hitler was born, He was God’s child, just like every human being born, but no rational person would argue that he’s having lunch with Mother Teresa today either.
Accepting Christ as your saviour isn’t exactly negotiable or allegorical Buck.
There may be legitimate arguements about what is literal and allegorical but if there’s one basic tenet of Christianity that’s literal, allegorical, 6 ways to Sunday TRUTH, it is that in order to be a Christian, it would be this: accepting Christ as your saviour.
Thus the many sayings over the years:
“take up the cross of Christ”
“the truth shall set you free”
“born again”
and so on.
Have you ever spoken to Jesus and asked Him to reveal the TRUTH to you...personally...or even asked Him if there IS such a thing as TRUTH?
btw...stiffing waitresses isn’t Christian, and it doesn’t make someone not Christian (or Christian).
Christians sin and are as imperfect as anyone else, sometimes more so.
I myself am not even a “good” Christian most of the time Buck. I’m not 100% of the day within God’s will. I cuss. I watch R movies. I don’t always go to church each and every Sunday. I sin ALL the time.
I do try to learn from my mistakes and learn and ask for forgiveness and acknowledge that Jesus paid my penalty. I know to ask for forgiveness and who to ask this forgiveness from:
Jesus Christ the Son of God, God in human form who died for ALL our sins. I strive to do better, I fail. I try again, ask for forgiveness, learn, fail, and try again.
But what I have done is given myself the chance to understand what exactly is at stake and the very definition of the term Christianity and have accepted Christ as the one and only way out of this mess I’m in, for all eternity!
The Holy Spirit will move within your soul once you genuinely accept Him.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with tips and waitresses or your acts or good works.
I quoted your post verbatim. You used the phrase precisely as I copied it.
Bye!
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