Posted on 02/17/2009 2:28:27 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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Wow, you sure fooled me.
You are either a troll or a person in great need.
Your displacement is suffocating you.
You know, like Al Gores druggie son or any one of the Kennedy children.
I feel fine; I just don’t care to let moral excuse-making for those we like pass without comment and criticism.
Your need to pathologise me may be its own form of transference.
I’m not trying to convict Sarah of being a bad parent, is what I mean.
Bristol’s actions DO affect popular attitudes towards Sarah Palin’s credibility on sexual morality and its role in public policy, though, regardless of whether we wished it were so or believe it ought to do so.
The liberals preach immorality and non-judgmentalism. When their children screw up, it’s already been pre-excused. Like many of Bristol’s defenders here, those who object are just told to stop being judgmental, and there’s an end to it.
Again, I believe that conservatives uphold traditional morality by acknowledging transgressions, rather than excusing them as “mistakes.”
I don’t judge a child by it’s parents actions nor will I judge Sarah by her daughter being an unwed mother. You may but I refuse to judge her.... Good night.
Isn’t that the truth! To read these posts a person would think Sarah and Todd asked Bristol to get pregnant..
One..I’m not deranged but I’ll let that pass because its childish and I’m not suffering any syndrome either for or against Palin. Not my concern.
And to say that what the Bible says is immoral makes me no holier than thou, even if it offends you.
An unwed mother laments she didn’t wait another ten years and I say Levi should’ve stayed zipped. I’m sorry you missed the play on his name and the Levi’s “live life unbuttoned” commercial but the comment wasn’t directed to you anyway.
Nor have I said anything about what the teenagers should do beyond refraining from what the Bible calls fornication, not a word about the two’s parents, not a word about the child, not a word about what they should do now, nothing about the immorality of “it all”, whatever you mean by that.
Who really is deciding what is immoral?
(1 Cor.6:18) “Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.”
Since you’ve expressed your IMO those stones laying around probably are yours.
I agree. Being pro-life and laying claim to the mantle of personal responsibility doesn't end when then a baby is born. Those last the rest of your entire life.
I personally do not care if young adults who have children out of wedlock are "happy" or "fulfilled" or if they have hard lives or any of those things. They ceased having the right to be the stars of their own lives when they decided to make babies.
It is supremely selfish to do the things it takes to have a baby, have the baby, then refuse to do the things it takes to give it a good life, starting with a set of loving parents. If they start out unable to give it the best they possibly can, they should realize their shortcomings and give it to people who can care for it and nurture it.
Parents don't have to be perfect. They do have to do the best they can, however, and there is no way "best" is defined by young, unwed parents with vague plans to maybe get married someday. The baby is here now, and deserves stability now.
But, since we’re talking about people who have already decided to do something they SHOULDN’T have, how likely are they to care about what they ought to do?
Yes. I would also add that I think that they shouldn't be giving interviews about the matter. Know when to say no to the media. This situation cannot possibly shed an illuminating light on the subject of teenage parenting; this serves no purpose but personal publicity.
There might be a story if the reporter wrote about or interviewed people who followed through, took full responsibility, gave their child up for adoption, got married, etc. On the other hand, I can drive down to the mall tomorrow and find a dozen young unwed mothers sitting in the food court. This is simply too common a story to be anything other than publicity.
As a rule, they’ll stumble through it with the same self-indulgence and lack of foresight which got them into that situation, barring strong intervention by someone about whose opinion they care.
Yep.
As an aside, as a mom, I don't lay any blame on Sarah Palin for this; her daughter is clearly old enough to make her own way in life and many kids do not do what we'd like them to do despite our best efforts. What I do find interesting, though, is that a number of moms do blame her. I wondered if it will be an issue in the future?
Thank you very much.
I think you’ve hit on the key point heretofore unspoken but clearly felt by many who attacked me, that I’m being MEAN by asking that Levi and Bristol face the reality of their child’s need for a committed mother and father NOW, not if/when they get their acts together ten years down the road. The immorality of fornication springs in large part from this fecklessness about the real and immediate interests of children.
Levi and Bristol are not, or at least should not, be the objects of our primary concern and interest in this question.
I got the ‘Levi’ reference...apparently you missed the ‘Bush Derangement Syndrome’ (BDS equalled everything, no matter how insignificant or improbably was Bush’s Fault) analogy. Everything from her children, to her ex-brother-in-law, her wardrobe, even Mt. Redoubt’s volcanic activity ALL fall under PDS (Sarah’s fault).
Your moral equivalence argument that Sarah Palin (or any Pol) must be 'pure' to lead is a strawman. No one will ever meet your ideals...but that is the point...its always someone else's fault that they weren't good enough...not that you look at the big picture of where that candidate stands on true political issues not their private lives.
Your moral equivalence argument that Sarah Palin (or any Pol) must be 'pure' to lead is a strawman. No one will ever meet your ideals...but that is the point...its always someone else's fault that they weren't good enough...not that you look at the big picture of where that candidate stands on true political issues not their private lives.
“Are you always an armchair quarterback or do you also get into the game?”
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Clearly PJ is a smug armchair QB.
Post #312 has not one, not two, but THREE “should haves”.
It’s real easy to sit behind a keyboard and lecture about what someone else “should have” done.
Bahhh!
I’m smug because I wish she hadn’t allowed herself to be painted as a woman who couldn’t even NAME a newspaper she read?
Hostile media interviews are part of the job description; as a media professional herself, she should have known better than to try to be flip with an interviewer whose tone she didn’t like.
But I suppose it’s easier to insult me than to admit that Sarah Palin made a mistake...
When Bristol Palin went on national television to declare that abstinence “isn’t realistic at all,” her attitude towards premarital sex became everyone’s business.
I will, once again, repeat myself that I don’t blame Sarah Palin for Bristol’s moral inanity, but that Sarah has, by her own acknowledgement been damaged as a spokesperson for abstinence by Bristol’s behaviour. Noting that she isn’t perfect isn’t a demand for perfection.
Do Palin’s defenders here really believe in abstinence themselves as anything more than an absurd ideal that no one actually attains in reality? I have to wonder, because no one here seems to actually believe that it is fair to suggest that Bristol has done or is doing anything deserving of public disapproval.
Only know-it-alls sit there and spout off about what people should have done. You’re just another pathetic Monday morning quarterback at your worn-out keyboard.
Biden and Okenyan made plenty of mistakes in their campaign, too.
The MSM was a one-way spin machine.
Yes, and I've noticed very similar writing styles of a few of them, so their numbers may not be as big as they'd like all to think.
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