Court records: Husband shot wife during intruder game

Omaha.com ^ | 2/6/2009 | LESLIE REED

[Red in Blue PA]

Read the story closer. He had multiple stories.

[Red in Blue PA]

“She was stupid as well. Apparently she had played “target” for him many times before. “

According to HIM!

Where does it say that this was corroborated by family members?

[Red in Blue PA]

“moron.”

Using ad hominem attacks is worse than using start dates.

[GingisK]

...he loaded it with three rounds...picked up the gun and began to pretend to clear the home of intruders...

This has nothing to do with photographs. This everything to do with loading a weapon and then playing with it. These are very different cases.

The people in the current story were clearly disrespectful of a weapon, as they LOADED IT and then started to PLAY with it. We have no such evidence that the teacher ever behaved the same way. You know enough about this new case to judge the behavior of a killer, but not enough about the first case in order to assume the same personality traits.

I still give a clean bill of health to the teacher, and mental illness to the school staff that searched for dirt.

[calex59]

Sounds like he just flat out killed her to me. I’m not buying it, especially since he keeps changing the story. No one is stupid enough to point a gun at someone and “forget it is loaded!”. Yeah, right. His first story has long been discarded as a credible defense, shooting someone while cleaning your gun is about as phony as they come.

[Red in Blue PA]

My think is along those exact lines.

[El Gato]

What an idiot.

But I can see it happening. While I wasn't pointing at anything animate, it almost happened to me. Unloading guns from the car after hunting. Picked up Dad's shotgun, shouldered it and pointed at the loft in garage. Thought better of pulling the trigger, but only just. Their was a round of #5s in the chamber. Another time I put a .22 round through my cousin's upstairs window screen. Fortunately they lived in the country and I don't think I hit the weather vane on the barn that I was aiming at.

They lived only a couple of miles from my brother's house. If they shot skeet and trap as the stories indicate, they may have known my nephew, who shoots trap and works at the closest range. They were only 2-3 years older than he is, and nearly the same age as my niece. But maybe not, they only moved to Lincoln in November, and it hasn't exactly been trap shooting weather up here since then, and since they hadn't gone to school in the area, they probably did not know each other, unless through someone's work. One of my niece's jobs is very near where they lived.

She passed away in the same hospital that my grandmother did. You may have seen it, it was used for filming of parts of Terms of Endearment.

[El Gato]

Apparently she had played "target" for him many times before.

And he for her.

[GingisK]

...in line with my suspicions about people who post photos of themselves on the Internet pointing guns at a camera...

I know you are sincere and that you have adopted your beliefs through careful and thoughtful digestion of current events. I believe as I do for the same reasons, and I have seasoned this with careful reading of the Founders' writings. If we judge people merely by the pictures they post without actually knowing more about them, we are not factoring in much more important characteristics than their taste in art or expression. There is also a danger of where we allow the line to be drawn: Is is a photograph of that nature, a photograph of merely holding an assault weapon at "port arms", or is it the possession of the weapon itself?

It is, in my thoughtful opinion, much more important to factor in the general behavior of the person, rather than superficial "clues". For example, a good student can be charged with a felony just because he forgets to unload his Swiss Army knife before going to school. The "no tolerance rules" preempt judicial thought on the part of authorities, giving rise to ill thought out "clues" for handing out severe punishments. When I was in high school I was caught with my trusty pocket knife, and was told to "put it away". The local trouble maker was found with a "switchblade", and was hauled away. The difference was that school administrators could judge by the character of the perpetrator what intent lay behind the deed. That is justice. What is practiced now is simply tyranny, and a version that can be enforced by buffoons.

Freedom was the base of our society, and we assume that it rests on the shoulders of capable and decent citizens. If we are prepared to discard the notion of a good citizenry, then we are obligated to turn control over to some sort of despotism. I just don't accept such a notion. I sincerely believe that the citizens of our Nation are still wonderful people. The way we live has been spoiled by a tiny minority, with a growing number of people who are unwilling to accept the risks of freedom. Freedom entails taking risks.

Thinking ill of people for harmless acts destroys freedom and increases the scope of control of government in our lives. People need to be judged solely upon their physical behavior, not some arbitrary "borderline that you feel" that none can describe or agree upon. To judge as you seem to do is "1984 Thought Police" governance. Your screen name would lead me to believe that you wouldn't accept that, yet your statements clearly indicate otherwise.

[Shooter 2.5]

Have not reduced Negligent discharges !

I think this is the second time you have mentioned the NRA rules are better than anyone else's. I'll ask an honest question now. What study is that based on? Is it from police who handle weapons on a daily basis versus the seasonly hunters? Quite frankly, there is no difference between the two sets of rules except the NRA doesn't mention legitimate targets and the backstop.

[ApplegateRanch]

shooting someone while cleaning your gun is about as phony as they come.

Cleaning a gun:

Step One, place in such a way that it will be aimed at intended victim...

Step Two, open can of trigger polish...

Step Three, call victim into room...

Step Four, gently begin polishing trigger.

[GingisK]

Student faces expulsion for fake drill team guns

Ping! Right in line with my suspicion of "NEA types" persecuting rational people.

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=109380&catid=339

[DesertRhino]

You mean Ad hominem,,, like “noob” and posting my screen name beside it?

[Red in Blue PA]

Noob isn’t really ad hominem. Moron is.

[Uri’el-2012]

The law enforcement firearm instructor's job is to TEACH
their officers how to be safe, effective, and timely in
the use of their firearms and tactics,
and to WIN the lethal encounter.

This commitment has continued and evolved to include law enforcement-specific training in 1960,
with the creation of the Law Enforcement Activities Division.

The following is what I sent to you the last time you asked.

Jeff Cooper rules
were the best we had when they were first developed.

They were developed for dogfaces and grunts.

They worked well enough.

The NRA adopted and the Training Department taught the Cooper Rules.

Over time the Cooper Rules were shown to be ineffective
as "NDs" did not decline.

The NRA Training Department researched a better way to teach gun safety.

The result of this extensive study over a number of years led the NRA Training
Department to reject the Cooper Rules that they had embraced.
This despite Jeff Cooper being on the NRA Executive Committee.

One can only imagine the arguments over many years
until everyone on the executive committee were convinced
that the new NRA Safety Rules were superior to the
then current Cooper Rules.

Anyone who knew Col. Cooper's massive Ego and Pride,
knows how heated these arguments were.

The result was that the NRA adopted the
recommendation of the NRA Training Department.

and issued the following NRA Safety Rules.

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger of the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

• The NRA rules are all positive; and thus easier to remember.
  
• The words used are ones that everyone can understand.
  
• They are in a sequence, such that if you follow rule one,
  you remain safe even if you violate rule two and rule three.
  
• You don't need to waste time and effort remembering that
  all guns are loaded, because if you
  Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction
  it does not matter.

Following the introduction of the new NRA Safety Rules,
the number of "NDs" were reduced and continue to decline.

However in those areas where Cooper Rules continue to be taught,
"NDs" have not declined.

When you plan to shoot there are more rules to follow.

OBTW; I learned the Cooper Rules sixty years ago
as a boy with my first BB gun.

I could repeat the rules and violated them consistently.

I'm sure you did too.

My Daisy Red Ryder was always loaded.

[muawiyah]

They’re all true.

[muawiyah]

Had this happen twice ~ putting a round into the chamber by hand, then closing the bolt, round goes off.

First time was with a small .22 rifle ~ Winchester single shot. The round was "extra long rifle". I figure the clearances were a bit tight.

The other time was an M60 machinegun ~ as I recall this was right at the beginning of orientation where you're ready on the line and they have you place one round in the receiver just to see what happens ~ and it happened.

This time I figure it was a worn mechanism.

After firing thousands of rounds over the years never had that happen again.

So, yeah, you can have a round just go off ~ and that's because it's a probability game ~ if the technology allows for misfires, they will happen whether you are there or not.

[DesertRhino]

Ohhhh, so he meant “noob” all friendly, like a buddy? Silly me, i thought he meant it as demeaning, to me and my opinion, by implying that i was too new for my reasoned opinion to even be considered. My opinion on the issue was within the range of normal thought, and i gave my opinion as to why. Maybe he had reasons for his, but he wouldnt give them.

But the truth is, he really had no way to refute my point, so he was reduced to trying to embarrass me. By posting my screen name and calling me a name. Deal with it, maybe you dont like the word “moron”,,,but his calling me “noob” wasn’t friendly, and it wasn’t rational intellect on display.

Have a nice day, we should just agree to disagree on this line.

[Charles Martel]

But personally my motto is I should not own a chain saw or a gun.

In the words of Inspector Callahan, "A man has got to know his limitations".

[ApplegateRanch]

Thanks. I wasn't trying to impugn you; you have so many interesting personal comments on so many threads over the years, which I have enjoyed, and that added to the topics' discussion.

Let's just say that I prefer to read about your experiences, to having had to live them; my own life was "interesting" enough, in its own (mostly) unexciting way.

OTOH, there was the time I had to disarm a knife wielding punk unhappy that I rebuffed his offer to sell me pot, with a guy I KNEW was a narc standing at the end of the block...while my landlord's elderly mother was holding a flower pot out her upstairs window, right above his head.