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Scientists: Global warming may be killing trees in West twice as fast
Mercury News ^ | 1/22/09 | Hadley Leggett

Posted on 01/22/2009 2:40:13 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: NormsRevenge

Global warming has been appointed to always be the cause of EVERYTHING bad until proven otherwise....and event then, sometimes, they won’t let go.


21 posted on 01/22/2009 2:57:03 PM PST by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hog wash on multiple levels.

The one that stands out to me is the CO2 claims. Old trees grow slower than younger trees. Basic forestry management calls for cutting out mature trees to maximize wood output. Old trees dying will increase CO2 uptake.

Also seedling sprouting is based on area. Thousands die for every old growth tree seen. Because the old tree dies does not mean an increase in seedlings, that is maxed out already.


22 posted on 01/22/2009 2:57:03 PM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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Note the trees are dying in the West only. No metion of clear cutting rain forests in brazil or indonesia. The trees are just dying in the west.

Let the NY Times, LA Times, Wa Po, NewsWeak, and Tiume magazine go broke faster and at least 3 million trees a year will be saved.


23 posted on 01/22/2009 2:58:03 PM PST by Frantzie
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They’re most likely dieing off because they tend to live immoral lives.


24 posted on 01/22/2009 3:04:01 PM PST by youngidiot
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To: NormsRevenge
...scientists say climate change may be to blame.

Ok, we don't act on "may" - call back when you know for sure. To act otherwise would be reckless.

For now, the percentage of trees dying each year is small, so doubling the rate means an increase of only 1 or 2 percent per year.

Ok, I see now. It sounds better (ie. more alarming) to say the rate has doubled. Never mind that it is a very small rate, and small fluctuations make for large percentage changes. These guys are useless.

25 posted on 01/22/2009 3:04:24 PM PST by CodeMasterPhilzar (I love my Country, but I now genuinely fear my government.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Sounds like lumber prices should be dropping then.


26 posted on 01/22/2009 3:05:43 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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Global warming will have to hurry to beat the pine beetles unleashed by the Sierra club lawsuits to destroy the trees.
27 posted on 01/22/2009 3:06:18 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

More warmth and CO2 is killing trees??????? Do they even think about this stuff?


28 posted on 01/22/2009 3:10:37 PM PST by SampleMan (Community Organizer: What liberals do when they run out of college, before they run out of Marxism.)
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...and scientists say climate change may be to blame...

Put "climate change" or "global warming" on a grant request, get government funding, blame man-made climate change for [fill in the blank]. We have too many scientists chasing grant money.

29 posted on 01/22/2009 3:10:49 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: Da Coyote

“....But, they have carefully examined EVERY other possible variable and global warming is the only possible cause. NOT.

These folks are producing Obama-output....”

Reminds me of the “Acid rain” is killing all the frogs rant....until the virus responsible was identified.


30 posted on 01/22/2009 3:11:52 PM PST by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: NormsRevenge

We live in an era where anything bad be it real, imaginary or yet to be known, is because of global warming.

Yes, even global cooling.


31 posted on 01/22/2009 3:14:36 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares (Refusing to kneel before the socialist messiah. 1-20-13 Freedom Day.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The leftists are so ‘worried’ about ‘birth and death’ rates for trees..yet don’t care about the ‘death’ of babies being killed before they are even ‘birthed’

These people are insane and dangerous!


32 posted on 01/22/2009 3:20:31 PM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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So much is wrong with this...where do I start?
How about this line:
“And while death rates have increased,
birth rates for new trees have remained stable
— meaning there aren’t enough new trees to replace the old ones.”
First, trying to get beyond using the phrase “birth rate” for trees...
Well, thousands of seeds die or are eaten for every one that finds a suitable growth environment and sprouts. And of the ones that sprout, hundreds are trampled or eaten or otherwise killed for every one that survives. And for those that manage to survive, the biggest killer of a young struggling sapling is the shade produced by the older mature trees. So actually, if the older trees go bye-bye, the younger trees have a better chance to survive.


33 posted on 01/22/2009 3:25:01 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: NormsRevenge

Ya want to know what damages a tree? It is from the salt that has to be put on the roads because of the massive SNOW STORMS....


34 posted on 01/22/2009 3:29:45 PM PST by Fred (Obama Happens)
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A tree problem??

Must be Bush’s fault.


35 posted on 01/22/2009 3:31:46 PM PST by Right_Handed_Writer (Socialism is the rest stop on the way from Capitalism to Communism)
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To: NormsRevenge

Scientists? Names please!


36 posted on 01/22/2009 3:32:55 PM PST by dr huer
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1,000,000 tons of barf!

Trees are dying from beetle infestation, and that is caused by not harvesting enough trees to open up the forest to sun light. If the bark is heated by the sun, fewer beetle eggs survive, and less damage is done to trees.


37 posted on 01/22/2009 3:37:17 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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Old growth trees die because they are old. That makes sense, what doesn’t make sense is that he thinks old growth forest have a lot of wild life. They don’t because there is not much for animals to eat. Animals like to live on the edge of forest where they can browse on the brush and grass in the fields and go back into the forest to hide. When an old tree dies and falls over, it becomes a nursery for seedlings so that is a good thing. I am not a game biologist and I didn’t sleep in a Holiday Inn last night but I have followed a hunter around the woods and fields for 51 years and I have learned stuff.


38 posted on 01/22/2009 3:39:24 PM PST by Ditter
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"Sparser forests provide fewer places for animals to live, van Mantgem said, and also put trees at-risk for sudden die-off from catastrophic incidents such as fire..."

So opening up the forest makes it more fire prone????

These guys are insane.

39 posted on 01/22/2009 3:39:24 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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There are two things that are totally useless to listen to:
a drunk’s story of his divorce and the latest pronouncement of science on the harm caused by global warming, but the first is more interesting than the second.


40 posted on 01/22/2009 3:56:09 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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