Posted on 01/10/2009 4:25:24 PM PST by BBell
i suppose all should have stood around while the “pyro” threw fuel on everyone rather than fight back.
Maybe he thought he had his taser out instead.
So much for navigating the local culture.
Not guilty!
And I agree with a poster on nola.com, to have done otherwise than shoot the vile snake, he would have lost "face" and emboldened our enemies into attacking more innocent civilians who are only trying to help the people of Afghanistan.
Adnan Khashoggi allegedly lived a wild life in the West, including arms dealing, and many scandals, and then would go home to Saudi Arabia and nothing was said even though it was known to the other elites there but when he got too public about it and the average (vulgar) person in Saudi found out about it, Khashoggi allegedly had to be disgraced and distanced by the Royals. He allegedly caused the Royals and Saudi Arabia to "lose face".
I’m afraid I don’t know what SOFA is but I get the gist. Obviously it is preferable for us to handle legal matters for our troops and contractors. Turning over authority to Afghanistan is bound to be a touchy issue that has to come sooner or later. As for this guy it now appears that he messed up. It’s very hard to blame him under the circumstances but shooting someone in restraints can’t be defended.
Actually, in this case I think he was in error for executing him.
It is said that when you are armed, and confronted in the open by a dangerous pack of wild dogs that want to kill and eat you, instead of killing a dog outright, you should gut shoot it. If it is killed, the other dogs will ignore it, but if it is still alive and screaming, they will hesitate, so you can make good your escape.
In this case, this sort of behavior is part of the South Asian culture. So just executing the attacker will be met with a shrug. Instead, he should be horribly wounded in such a way that he will live, yet starve to death and die as a beggar.
This would have a greater impact in changing their behavior. They would understand that civilized people object to burning women.
So in this case, perhaps it would be better to kneecap him, before setting his beard and hair on fire, and making sure it all burns off, likely blinding him. Perhaps a finishing touch would be to crush or amputate his right hand.
Each of these things would be instructive to his fellow dogs.
A terrorists burns a woman to death, and the man who shoots her murderer is charged with murder. Does this make sense to anyone?
I think you read to many cartoons.....get a grip and go back to DU.
And give up the comics and video games as well. Get some help noobie.
Don’t you just love swift justice. His death was too swift, he should have emptied the magazine into him, just about gut high. Then he would have had time to think about what he has done.
Affidavit is here, The Affiant is Jennifer L. Bryan,,a Special Agent with the United States Army Criminal Investigation Division.
From the affaidavit:
10. Salam immediately fled the scene and ran about 50 meters toward AYALA. AYALA drew his pistol but did not fire at Salam. AYALA instead extended his arm, causing Salam to run into his arm and fall to the ground. AYALA attempted to restrain Salam and was assisted by soldiers from the platoon who responded to the scene. Salam was restrained with plastic restraints (also called "flexcuffs" or "zipcuffs"), around his wrists, which were behind his back. At this point Salam became a detainee, by U.S. military definition. AYALA further restrained Salam by kneeling over Salam and using his body weight to hold Salam to the ground. AYALA also pointed his pistol at Salam's head. Salam continued to resist detention, but there were several Soldiers around him and AYALA had Salam effectively immobilized. After about ten minutes, a soldier approached the location where AYALA had Salam detained and informed the personnel in the area that Loyd was burned badly. AYALA pushed his pistol against Salam's head and shot Salam, killing him instantly.
11. After shooting Salam, AYALA had his pistol and rifle confiscated by the platoon leader in charge of the patrol. AYALA willingly gave up his weapons and was returned to FOB Hutal after the patrol consolidated. AYALA'S pistol was retained by members of the unit until return to FOB Hutal. A representative from the unit's higher headquarters took custody of the pistol the same day and secured it at FOB Ramrod, Afghanistan, until CID agents arrived and collected the pistol as evidence. The pistol is pending laboratory examination for DNA evidence, ballistics, and functionality.
In my opinion, such cases, if they be brought at all, should be conducted in a Military Court, with military officers and/or enlisted members serving on the court, only they could be expected to a true "Jury of peers" for alleged offenses committed during a war.
Correct, it's the US *Justice* department.
God help us all once Eric Holder is their leader, reporting to B. Hussein Obama.
That said, the current leader is Michael B. Mukasey, appointed by and reporting to George W. Bush.
The United States is not a war zone. We can expect that someone apprehended after committing such a crime, with plenty of witnesses, will be punished by the Criminal Justice System. The same is not true in Afghanistan.Setting an infidel female on fire might get you a fine for public endangerment.
One interesting aspect of this section is that it cannot be invoked if the local jurisdiction is prosecuting the alleged crime.
He should have indeed, and he could have. But according the affidavit of the charge, he didn't.
But I do think temporary insanity might fly...except that by the time this goes to trial, it will be a US Attorney appointed by The Messaih, prosecuting the case.
That is interesting. Apparently the locals weren’t all that upset by Salam’s sudden demise.
Interesting. You read one sentence and write a snarky objection, then you go back and read the rest and write a different snarky objection. Maybe the problem is not in what I wrote.
Afghanistan is not a nice place. In fact, it is beastly and has been for a thousand years. Early after they had been conquered, the CIA loaded up hundreds of the Taliban’s most vicious killers in steel conexes, and had them shipped, slowly, across country, in the middle of summer. There were not a lot of survivors.
Kipling wrote of the horrors of the place and the savagery of the natives. It has changed little since his time. Prisoners are rarely taken, and tortured and murdered if they are taken.
By just kneecapping, burning and amputating the hand of a murderer, who did that would be seen as being generous, charitable, and in compliance with local laws and traditions. This would be because you had left them and their family live, instead of butchering them all. That they would starve after being abandoned by their own family was of little consequence.
When it occupied Afghanistan, Russia considered an acceptable alternative to slaughtering those it had imprisoned, by making them walk the distance of a slit trench with weakened blister agent in it. This would cause the skin to peel from their feet and ankles, so they could not walk for weeks except on their hands and knees, but was a “humanitarian” gesture, as otherwise, they would have to all be killed.
Spare me your pathetic insults. You are ignorant of the place and its people.
Zed’s dead, honey.
Yes, by all means....let's duplicate the Russians and Brits, it worked out so well for them.....save your Armchair General BS for those that have never been in the military.
And you save your military discipline for those in the military. The shooter was a contractor for BAE, now being charged in the US for what likely wasn’t even a crime in Afghanistan. If anything, the Afghans would say he was enforcing the law.
Had he been a soldier, it would have been an entirely different situation.
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