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Oregon assisted suicide at record high
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | 1/9/09 | John Iwasaki

Posted on 01/10/2009 10:19:38 AM PST by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee; Petronius; Alamo-Girl; Salvation; NYer; Pyro7480; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; ...
Wow! Your hatred of the Catholic Church has truly blinded you.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

The statement "In a country where church and state are separated, how dare anyone make a decision that violates the teachings of a Roman mystery cult" is mindless drivel.

Not only does this person not understand Christianity, he doesn't even understand the Constitution of the United States.

21 posted on 01/10/2009 11:08:58 AM PST by betty boop
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To: Petronius

Yep. Suffering is noble, suffering is holy, Jesus suffered on the cross so by God they’re going to make you suffer too.


22 posted on 01/10/2009 11:10:08 AM PST by CGTRWK
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To: wagglebee
I was referring to Christianity: it was a cult that struck it big when one of the half-mad emperors made it official. Initially it was very "pro death." The first official prohibition against suicide came from Augustine: too many of the faithful were trying too hard to achieve martyrdom, provoking Roman authorities, desecrating temples, etc.

Suicide is mentioned only a few times in the Bible (Samson, Judas, two others I'm blocking on) but there's nothing even resembling a prohibition.

23 posted on 01/10/2009 11:13:25 AM PST by Petronius (Ezekiel 23:20)
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To: Petronius

That people were and are willing tom die for what they believe doesn’t make them “pro-death.” Your argument that suicide isn’t mentioned much in the Bible doesn’t really prove anything.


24 posted on 01/10/2009 11:17:01 AM PST by ShandaLear (Where's My Stuff???!!!)
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To: betty boop; Petronius
Not only does this person not understand Christianity, he doesn't even understand the Constitution of the United States.

Very true.

I am well aware that Luther condemned Church teaching that those who committed suicide were damned; however, this very different from advocating suicide.

I am not aware of ANY Protestant denomination that has historically condoned suicide nor am I aware of ANY denomination that would describe themselves as Evangelical that currently supports suicide.

If euthanasia/assisted suicide laws should not exist because of "separation of church and state" (a phrase which exists NOWHERE in the Constitution), then should we also remove laws against murder, theft and perjury? After all, they certainly had their roots in the Ten Commandments.

25 posted on 01/10/2009 11:19:58 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Petronius
Suicide is mentioned only a few times in the Bible (Samson, Judas, two others I'm blocking on) but there's nothing even resembling a prohibition.

Uh....the commandment "thou shalt not kill" has no asterisks next to it.

It comes with no qualifiers.

The Scriptures make it clear that God alone is the author of life. The taking of life, whether it be our own or someone else's, is rebellion against God's dominion over life.

26 posted on 01/10/2009 11:21:35 AM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future"- Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: CGTRWK
"Yep. Suffering is noble, suffering is holy, Jesus suffered on the cross so by God they’re going to make you suffer too."

Actually, killing an innocent person is against the Natural Law, that Law is for everybody, Christian or not.

27 posted on 01/10/2009 11:21:41 AM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: ShandaLear
Religions evolve just like everything else. Christianity developed and adapted under conditions that we can scarcely imagine. One of the reasons it spread as quickly as it did was the frenzy of its early followers.

There's a story of Christians haranguing a Roman official to kill them. He told them to hang and drown themselves and leave him alone.

28 posted on 01/10/2009 11:22:37 AM PST by Petronius (Ezekiel 23:20)
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To: Petronius
I was referring to Christianity: it was a cult that struck it big when one of the half-mad emperors made it official.

Got it, you consider Christianity to be a cult.

Do you have any proof that Constantine was "half-mad"?

29 posted on 01/10/2009 11:24:34 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Petronius

Genuine martyrdom IS NOT suicide.


30 posted on 01/10/2009 11:26:40 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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"Under the law, doctors could prescribe -- but not administer -- a lethal dose of medication if requested by Washington residents given six months or less to live."

Yeah, just give him the loaded gun.

And the pharmacy can just "give" the person his "medication" without "administering" it. /s

31 posted on 01/10/2009 11:26:48 AM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: wagglebee

Ghouls. Note they hover about those dying.


32 posted on 01/10/2009 11:28:17 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: GonzoII

A couple months ago I had a sinus infection. My doctor prescribed an antibiotic. Was my doctor treating me or was he simply “assisting” me in treating myself.

When a doctor prescribes something which, if taken as directed, WILL result in death, the doctor is an ACTIVE PARTICIPANT in death.


33 posted on 01/10/2009 11:29:59 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
If the laws of nature are the manifestation of God's will, wouldn't chemotherapy be every whit as defiant as suicide? Who sent the tumor? Who invented cancer? How dare we second guess it.

Perhaps God gave us Reason for something other than quoting ancient books that have been translated through fifty languages like some great Chinese whisper down through time.

Am I really supposed to believe that scripts for Nembutal will inexorably lead to Dachau? C'mon.

34 posted on 01/10/2009 11:34:47 AM PST by Petronius (Ezekiel 23:20)
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To: wagglebee

Wait guys,, this is solid blue Oregon. It there some way we can accelerate it? Or authorize it for hayfever,,etc??


35 posted on 01/10/2009 11:35:30 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Petronius
If the laws of nature are the manifestation of God's will, wouldn't chemotherapy be every whit as defiant as suicide? Who sent the tumor? Who invented cancer? How dare we second guess it.

Treatment of illness IS NOT killing.

Am I really supposed to believe that scripts for Nembutal will inexorably lead to Dachau? C'mon.

Got it, ten million deaths is a problem, but a few dozen isn't a big deal.

You should try DU, nearly all of them agree with your pro-death, anti-Christian beliefs.

36 posted on 01/10/2009 11:39:09 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Are there any clauses in the legislation that a patient needs to be deemed sane and able to make life altering decisions on their own? The demon of death will not cease. He has begun to tighten his strangle hold on our society, and so many are blinded to it. May God open eyes and hearts to HIS TRUTH and HIS LIGHT. May He hear the cries of His children in protest, the cries for forgiveness for the sins of our country, and answer. God save us!


37 posted on 01/10/2009 11:39:39 AM PST by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: Petronius
"Suicide is mentioned only a few times in the Bible ...but there's nothing even resembling a prohibition."

Ex:20:13: Thou shalt not kill.

Dt:5:17: Thou shalt not kill.

Dn 13:53 In judging unjust judgments, oppressing the innocent, and letting the guilty to go free, whereas the Lord saith: The innocent and the just thou shalt not kill.

Lk 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments: Thou shalt not kill: Thou shalt not commit adultery: Thou shalt not steal: Thou shalt not bear false witness: Honour thy father and mother.

Rom 13: 9 For Thou shalt not commit adultery: Thou shalt not kill: Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness:

Js 2: 11 For he that said, Thou shalt not commit adultery, said also, Thou shalt not kill. Now if thou do not commit adultery, but shalt kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

38 posted on 01/10/2009 11:42:41 AM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: Salvation
PING!

Satan is doing all he can to kill the unborn, the elderly, and those who have been given a medical "death warrant" in this country. We have seen God move in the answers to so many prayers here on FR and around us. People are once again placing themselves in the position of God, and determining life or death where they have no right. Blinded by Satan's lies. Heaven help us!

39 posted on 01/10/2009 11:43:30 AM PST by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: wagglebee
Apparently there is a "Conscience Clause" in the law and many from the Healthcare Profession are encouraging using it.

Assisted Suicide? Or Encouraged Suicide? It Still Should Be Opposed.

40 posted on 01/10/2009 11:45:45 AM PST by DakotaRed (Don't you wish you had supported a conservative when you had the chance?)
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