Huntsman wants to push cigarette tax to $3 (Utah)

Salt Lake Truibune ^ | 1/07/09 | Robert Gehrke

[colorcountry]

Some so-called Repubs have been tossing out the name of Huntsman for our 2012 Presidential nominee. Blech.....

We don't need no more nanny-staters.

Some so-called Repubs have been tossing out the name of Huntsman for our 2012 Presidential nominee. Blech.....

We don't need no more nanny-staters.

[Foolsgold]

Was I mis-informed or did I hear that ALL of the States and the fed are crying because the gasoline tax income is dropping due to less miles driven and mandated higher milage cars??? Naw it had to be my imagination

[Hoffer Rand]

Amen, sister.

[Just another Joe]

Realize that in states that mandate a vehicle safety inspection the mileage of the car is recorded.
Why go for the tax on a gallon of gasoline when different cars get different mileage.
Go for a tax on miles driven and you get everybody.

LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD!

[FrankR]

"...decrease of the food tax is that when they dropped the tax on groceries, they raised the tax on "prepared" food, so eating out became more expensive. "

Actually, what the greedy bastards in government are doing is watching the markets, and whatever is selling the best, or whichever firm is makeing good profits, they figure out how to tax it. It's like, "OK peasants, if you have money to throw away eating out and smoking cigarettes, then you have the free money to give to the cause...the government."

That sort of takes away our right to the "pursuit of happiness", as paying tax on everything I enjoy does not make me very happy.

The only solution would be to stop doing whatever their newest designer tax is levied on, and let them dry up. Of course that would be never-ending, and that would get them around to taxing air that much sooner.

Here's what I would suggest...a 45% tax on Government Bailouts. Someone wants a million dollar bailout...grant it, but withhold $450,000 in income taxes.

Makes sense to me...if I win the lottery, they withold federal and state taxes..it's income. A bailout is NOT a loan...it's a gift...If I give my son a million dollars, he has to pay taxes on it, as income.

To thine ownself be true.

[Hoffer Rand]

Actually, what the greedy bastards in government are doing is watching the markets, and whatever is selling the best, or whichever firm is makeing good profits, they figure out how to tax it. It's like, "OK peasants, if you have money to throw away eating out and smoking cigarettes, then you have the free money to give to the cause...the government."

That's exactly what they're doing. They did the same thing with booze. You can only get booze at a state liquor store. Used to be that sales tax was included in the price, so you only paid the listed price. Then they got the bright idea to say that sales tax wasn't going to be included in the listed price any more. The listed prices went down by a few cents for a couple of weeks, when they "took the taxes out," then went right back to where they had been, only now you have to pay the sales tax on top. Fascinating that this move came right on the heels of a report that liquor sales in Utah were up.

[Little Bill]

Huntsman is turning out to be a bigger jerk than Levitt(Sp). Running on his fathers name.

[colorcountry]

I knew Dixie Leavitt (Mike’s father). ... what can I say? I didn’t necessarily like either of them.

[Lokibob]

“a 45% tax on Government Bailouts. “

Too late... In Utah, you add Federal tax return money to your State Taxable income, and pay taxes on it. It isn’t 45%, but damned if it isn’t taxed.

Something else in Utah.. You pay taxes on taxes. Cigarettes are taxed separately by a law, so a carton costs, for example $20 plus a $10 cigarette tax. So, when you buy a carton it is $30, BUT THEN they add a 6% sales tax on the total $30. A tax on a tax.

Its madness (by the way, I don’t smoke, but it ticks me off)...

....Bob

[Lokibob]

Read my post #29 for tax on tax.

Thanks for the tip on another example of Tax on tax.

....Bob

[GreyMountainReagan]

“Smokers are nasty sub-humans in the eyes of a Mormon.”

Kind of a broad brush to paint with.

2nd hand smoke has become the smell of freedom to me. Not joking.

I am so sick of government forcing behavior. Speaking generally lack of freedom is much worse fate than smoking or even cancer for that matter.

[hotshu]

To quote George Harrison:

“Let me tell you how it will be.
There’s one for you, nineteen for me.

‘cause I’m the Taxman, yeah I’m the Taxman.

Should five percent appear too small,
be thankful I don’t take it all.

‘cause I’m the Taxman, yeah I’m the Taxman.

If you drive a car, I’ll tax the street.
If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat.
If you get too cold, I’ll tax the heat.
If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet.

Don’t ask me what I want it for,
if you don’t want to pay some more.

‘cause I’m the Taxman, yeah I’m the Taxman.

Now my advice for those who die,
declare tose pennies on your eyes!

‘cause I’m the Taxman, yeah I’m the Taxman.

AND YOU’RE WORKING FOR NO ONE BUT ME!”

[albie]

“2nd hand smoke has become the smell of freedom to me. Not joking”.

...funny you say that. When my wife says “Ewww. I smell cigarette smoke” my kids say “We smell freedom Mom”. (of course, I taught them that. awful aren’t I?)

[TigersEye]

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[GreyMountainReagan]

“Smokers are nasty sub-humans in the eyes of a Mormon”
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Well, this is one Mormon that has grown to love to smell cigarette smoke because of how it has come to represent freedom. I know you were speaking in hyperbole when you said that Mormon’s think smokers are nasty sub-humans, since most know that subhuman is a term used by people to describe others that they want to exterminate

Among my co-workers and friends I see plenty of Mormons and non Mormons who despise smoking and have come to think that smokers almost deserve any cancer they contract.

To me it seems to be more of a liberal/conservative thing.

Liberals seem to despise the following:
smokers,
overweight people,
small town people,
Christians,
people who don’t believe in global warming,
people who don’t march lockstep with the MSM,
people who don’t enjoy paying taxes,
people who drive SUV’s (SUV’s are the next cigarette)
people who homeschool,
people who own guns, (guns are a bellweather)
people who enjoy popular sports such as NFL and NASCAR
people who have more than 1 child,
etc, etc, etc.

The more of the above qualities you have the more liberals despise you. Let’s see, I homeshool, don’t enjoy taxes, drive a 1-ton Van, enjoy popular sports, have more than 1 child, am Christian (at least I think I am), live in a small town, don’t follow the MSM, slightly overweight, don’t believe in Global warming, own guns, crap, the only thing on that list I am not? Smoker.

[Eric Blair 2084]

Don’t be a libtard and stop and think for a moment.

Q: If and when the social engineering experiment to coerce smokers to quit succeeds, where is the state going to get the money?

A: You.

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[Eric Blair 2084]

Yep. You’ve summarized it pretty well.

The common denominator is CONTROL.

If they can’t control you, you are the enemy.

[Eric Blair 2084]

The high tax and behavior control experiment worked so well in the Democratic People’s Republic of NJ, NY, MA. They are still a gazillion dollars in debt even after trying to coerce sheeple to eat right, exercise and quit smoking. They thought it would solve all of their problems by reducing their state Medicare and Medicaid costs.

Retards in the Utah legislature want to emulate them.

It just proves my point. Everyone is retarded. I’m retarded, you’re retarded. We’re all human.

Our neighbors/local and state legislators are retarded.

Conservatives understand that people are retarded and don’t want to give their neighbors/legislators more power. Liberals want to hand their lives over to these retards.*

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[Alamo-Girl]

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