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Ron Paul: Israel had US OK for war on Gaza (Ron Paul sides with Hamas)
Press TV ^ | 1/5/09

Posted on 01/05/2009 11:50:56 AM PST by LdSentinal

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To: Dead Corpse

You don’t know what “proportionate” means, as I suspected. Do the cops blow up the bank to catch a bank robber?


261 posted on 01/07/2009 3:07:52 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
The usual argument against it is that it does not deliver good information, and so in that sense, is disproportionate.

However, as we now find out, the "argument against it" is in error. It does deliver good information. See Sheik Mohammed, Khalid (KSM) for details.

But is waterboarding "torture"? After all, we routinely exposed our own troops to it as part of their training exercises. Would we torture our own personnel, do you think?

Indeed, are any of the interrogation techniques practiced at Gitmo really "torture"? Moving the thermostat up and down, sleep-deprivation, solitary, etc., are all "uncomfortable", to be sure. But are they, in your mind, "torture"?

262 posted on 01/07/2009 5:34:01 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: okie01

Yes, I think waterboarding is torture, but so long as it provides information and is used on a combatant, I have no problem with it; nor, of course, when it is used for the purpose of training.

Regarding milder forms of discomfort, I don’t know. It is, I suppose, a matter of degree.


263 posted on 01/07/2009 6:08:31 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
I'm encouraged.

There may be hope for you yet...

264 posted on 01/07/2009 6:17:06 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: annalex

Ask a Branch Davidian or Vicky Weaver.


265 posted on 01/07/2009 7:24:23 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse

These were indeed severe crimes of disproportionality on the part of the law enforcement.


266 posted on 01/08/2009 7:49:20 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; justiceseeker93; ..

The Biggest Lies About the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
North Star Writers Group | January 9, 2008 | Rachel Marsden
Posted on 01/09/2009 4:45:59 AM PST by Invisigoth
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2161492/posts

Congressman and former GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul, suggested to Press TV — the official propaganda arm of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad — that Israel’s actions were “preemptive”... a war isn’t automatically “preemptive” just because one party was dumb enough to pick a fight it can’t win... It also isn’t the first time Rep. Paul has lamented the lack of nuclear power in other Middle Eastern countries. In early 2007, on Fox News, Rep. Paul told me that he didn’t have a problem with Iran possessing nukes.

American White Supremacist David Duke:
Israel Makes the Nazi State Look Very Moderate
MEMRI | 21 Nov 05 | Unknown
Posted on 11/29/2005 8:09:45 AM PST by LSUfan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1530488/posts

Pat Buchanan Says Gaza is an “Israeli Concentration Camp” - Video 1/8/09
Freedom’s Lighthouse | January 9, 2009 | BrianinMO
Posted on 01/09/2009 6:13:35 AM PST by Federalist Patriot
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2161537/posts

‘Concentration camp’ remark threatens Pope’s visit to Israel
London Times | January 8, 2009 | Richard Owen
Posted on 01/08/2009 9:46:55 PM PST by Steelfish
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2161430/posts

[snip] after a prominent cardinal said that Gazans were living in a “big concentration camp”... Cardinal Renato Martino, the head of the Vatican Council for Justice and Peace and a former Holy See envoy to the United Nations... compared Gaza to a concentration camp... criticised Israel for killing civilians who had taken shelter at a UNrun school in Gaza. Israeli officials said that they were “deeply shocked that a man of religion is using the vocabulary of Hamas propaganda”. The Simon Wiesenthal Centre, which monitors antiSemitism and hunts down Nazi war criminals, said that Cardinal Martino had used the language of a “Holocaust denier”. [end]


267 posted on 01/12/2009 11:44:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv (First 2009 Profile update Tuesday, January 6, 2009___________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

http://www.christiansstandingwithisrael.com/vatican-palestinian-right-return.html

“...You’ll recall, in April, 2007, the Vatican’s notorious disdain
for Israel quickly materialized into a bitter, public dispute
when it turned down the invitation to attend a ceremony at Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem —an occasion facilitated to honor and remember the millions of Jewish lives that were lost in one of the darkest, most evil periods in recorded history. Ironically, as evidenced by its presence at the Annapolis summit, such animosity was nowhere to be found when the Vatican received its invitation—one which they graciously accepted—to attend a “peace conference” where Israel would likely face overwhelming
international pressure to concede and acquiesce to
her enemies.

Even more insidious was the Vatican’s reason for not attending the ceremony at Yad Vashem...


268 posted on 01/12/2009 2:33:56 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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