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After 6 months, drivers ignoring cellphone ban [WA]
Seattle Times ^ | 1/02/2009 | Bob Young

Posted on 01/02/2009 1:17:29 PM PST by sionnsar

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To: sionnsar

“The public appears to support a tougher law.”

Uh, actually, the public appears to support talking on a phone while driving.

“What the article does not say is that when the initial seat-belt law was passed we were PROMISED that it would NEVER become a primary offense.”

Anyone who believes such hooey is full of....hooey!

And to think I was SHOCKED in ‘95 when I moved to CT that police could pull over people (primary offense) for not having their precious seat belts on. Then I move back to MD 2 years later and they’ve adopted the whole thing themselves.


41 posted on 01/02/2009 1:43:09 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Not guilty . . . . unless she’s a minor, in which case, shame on her for developing such poor driving habits.


42 posted on 01/02/2009 1:43:41 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: freedumb2003

See my other post to you. Increase penalties.


43 posted on 01/02/2009 1:43:46 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: PBRSTREETGANG; sionnsar

>>I recall that PROMISE clearly as well.<<

I also recall the voters elected to have the Kingdome built by Southcenter, and we voted AGAINST Safeco field.

Just a few of the reasons I am moving to Kentucky.


44 posted on 01/02/2009 1:45:00 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the 1930's.)
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To: sionnsar

Here is the problem: our Democrat-filled Legislature made it a secondary offense. Just like the first seat-belt law. So they cannot pull you over for using a cell phone, but if you are speeding AND using a cell phone...

The gutless Legislature should have made it a primary offense (I predict that is where they were going anyway). Why? Because it is a safety issue. And I like being protected from all of the people who are talking on the phone (without hands-free device) and being oblivious to the fact there are other cars on the road besides themselves.


45 posted on 01/02/2009 1:46:14 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: JennysCool

>>Stupid, trendy laws make a laughing stock of the real, necessary ones.<<

Yep. They lost me on the 55 mph speed limit. I haven’t taken traffic laws seriously since.


46 posted on 01/02/2009 1:46:19 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the 1930's.)
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To: savedbygrace
Mad Mad Skills!


47 posted on 01/02/2009 1:46:20 PM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

"Duh, of course I can still talk while I'm doing my make-up."
48 posted on 01/02/2009 1:47:14 PM PST by The Citizen Soldier (This is worse than a divorce... I've lost half of my net worth and I still have my wife.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

I say put out a huge EMP pulse, I had to follow some jerk on his phone today driving 20 miles an hour under the speed limit, I’m so freaking sick of it.


49 posted on 01/02/2009 1:47:51 PM PST by Scythian
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To: freedumb2003
So you are against drunk driving laws?

I certainly am against present efforts to make the alcohol limits lower and lower and lower so even more otherwise law abiding citizens can be arrested and contribute thereby to their state's general fund.

The anti-drunk-driving effort did very well. Then it became an industry which like all industries will do whatever it can to survive and make money.

Nearly every "cause" these days becomes an industry. Rule of thumb: When it starts selling coffee mugs, caps and t-shirts, the bloom is off the rose.

50 posted on 01/02/2009 1:48:34 PM PST by JennysCool (Internet Powerhouse)
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To: Boiling Pots; freedumb2003

>>Is there evidence for such a claim?

Is listening to the radio, or eating as deadly too?<<

Personally, I believe all occupants of motor vehicles should be required to wear motorcycle helmets.

I strongly believe it would drastically reduce highway fatalities.

Actually, with the exception of that last line, I was being sarcastic. But there is a point here. It almost certainly would have the effect I said, but some things are more important than “safety at all costs”.


51 posted on 01/02/2009 1:49:26 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the 1930's.)
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To: meyer

What about applying mascara? Can’t you multitask?


52 posted on 01/02/2009 1:53:16 PM PST by Professional Engineer (You don't know the power of the Dork Side.)
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To: DoneWithDems
opps...partisan. lol

I think you were right the first time. It seems that both parties are full to the gills of nanny-staters. 

53 posted on 01/02/2009 1:53:38 PM PST by zeugma (Will it be nukes or aliens? Time will tell.)
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To: freedumb2003
Driving while on the cell phone is as dangerous as driving while drunk.

You have to wonder whose sill little call is more important than your life.

Pure Bravo Sierra. The truth is, no matter what you are doing, some people are simply more distracted than others. It doesn't matter if it's cell phones, eating, yelling at kids, reading, talking with passengers or otherwise. Some drivers are simply not up to the task.

The real issue is, is the person driving erratically or dangerously? No, then there is no issue. Yes? Then get them for being distracted, that law's been on the books in most places for years.

54 posted on 01/02/2009 1:53:56 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (Hey Obama, why lawyer up when you can pony up? Show us your vault copy BC)
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To: freedumb2003
Speaking for myself, I know I am a terrible driver when talking on the phone (holding the phone or using a handset). I simply pull over or do not answer the damn thing (that's what voicemail is for!). Kind of look at it this way as well, I need to be on guard for those that are on cell phones and not paying attention.
55 posted on 01/02/2009 1:54:24 PM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: freedumb2003
And when they kill or maim someone?

There are already laws on the books for nearly every human behavior. If I get in an accident talking on my cell phone, I can already be charged with careless or reckless driving in nearly every state in the Union.

Same as if I'm adjusting the radio or sticking my leg out the window.

Making a law SPECIFIC to cell phones just panders to a certain constituency and, more important in the eyes of our legislators, KEEPS THEIR LEGISLATIVE GRAVY TRAIN IN BUSINESS.

They're in the business of lawmaking just the same as Ford is in the business of car making.

56 posted on 01/02/2009 1:55:32 PM PST by JennysCool (Internet Powerhouse)
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To: JennysCool
SPECIFYING the inattentive activity just keeps legislatures in business. It’s like that ridiculous policy of spending days of legislative activity and raising all kinds of fanfare naming a piece of legislation after someone when the LAW ITSELF has already been on the books for years.

Actually the driver (no pun intended) behind this is very simple: Revenue. Politicians have identified an activity that nanny-state supporters will get behind, and they can raise revenue from whith much fuss being made.



57 posted on 01/02/2009 1:57:23 PM PST by zeugma (Will it be nukes or aliens? Time will tell.)
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To: Dan Middleton

See my #56.


58 posted on 01/02/2009 1:57:33 PM PST by JennysCool (Internet Powerhouse)
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To: freedumb2003
Driving while on the cell phone is as dangerous as driving while drunk.

How about petting while driving? More distracting, less, about the same?

59 posted on 01/02/2009 1:57:49 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: DoneWithDems
That's awful, and I hope you were fully compensated by this irresponsible person's negligence. Most of all, I hope your injuries were not serious or long-term, and that the other driver was okay. Here's wishing you a full recovery!

The at-fault driver will be punished through their insurance company, and will certainly remember the accident. For blatant irresponsibility like DWI, I do favor increased penalties.

Where I have a problem is with people viewing the state as a loving parent. Here in WA, we even have a road sign that says "We love you! Buckle Up!" Cute, sure, but inappropriate. Recently, those signs have become more threatening ("$101 seatbelt fine"; "Seatbelt patrols in effect") - but either way, the state is not our parent and loves no one. It is just an entity that ought to provide only those services that private enterprise cannot provide efficiently.

60 posted on 01/02/2009 1:58:01 PM PST by Lexinom
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