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Can aircraft trails affect climate?
Nature News ^ | 31 December 2008 | Anna Barnett

Posted on 12/31/2008 11:41:11 PM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 12/31/2008 11:41:12 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

calling Art Bell...


2 posted on 12/31/2008 11:44:33 PM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: neverdem

You know....if I were to believe any part of the grand “cabon issue”....this would be the one thing that I’d connect to it and say it has potential. The interesting thing is that prior to the early 1970s....the vast public didn’t travel by jet. Only when discount airlines appeared and the prices went down in cost....did the public jump on and ride in abundance.

But here is the thing....if we ever did come to believe in this as the major contributor....the only answer (NOT taxes, trust me)....is to simply cut off jet travel. Either you go by boat, blimp, car or train to wherever you want. Airports would die off quickly and bankrupt a huge portion of America. The airline industry would dissolve away completely.

So I’m open to this if Al Gore wants to make this the “cause”. But for some funny reason, I don’t think he will. It really doesn’t help his agenda...stealing from the rich and middle-class.


3 posted on 12/31/2008 11:54:53 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: RaceBannon

You mean you don’t believe they are really chem trails dropping aluminum sulfate. Some believe they are con trails.


4 posted on 12/31/2008 11:55:29 PM PST by gogov
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This before factoring in the Chemtrail phenomenon.


5 posted on 01/01/2009 12:02:23 AM PST by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: RaceBannon

6 posted on 01/01/2009 12:11:52 AM PST by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: neverdem

chem trails are the province of trailer park pseudo science.


7 posted on 01/01/2009 12:21:43 AM PST by Cyclops08
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This article is not about chem trails, although the premise is stupid no matter how mainstream.


8 posted on 01/01/2009 12:25:25 AM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: neverdem

Butterfly farts are far more dangerous than airplane contrails.

I thought everyone knew this.


9 posted on 01/01/2009 12:37:38 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (All hail the Obamasiah! Kneel before Obamohammad!)
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To: neverdem

Sure if cow farts can, anything can.


10 posted on 01/01/2009 12:39:09 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (Reagan is back, and this time he's a woman.)
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To: neverdem

Amazing! Scientists say a super volcano eruption, a thousand times bigger than the Mt. St. Helens blast, would give us a few years of volcanic winter but it wouldn’t change the climate long term. But vapor trails and car exhaust would. Truly amazing!


11 posted on 01/01/2009 12:59:48 AM PST by TigersEye (I threw my shoe at Mohammed and hit Allah in the butt.)
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To: neverdem

Jet contrails only persist when the atmosphere at that altitude is near saturation anyway. A general blanket of cirrostratus coming in would not be unlikely anyway. The article says ‘scientists have suggested’, not ‘science has proved’. Suggestions are cheap on this topic.


12 posted on 01/01/2009 1:09:38 AM PST by Seven plus One
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To: neverdem

Thanks for posting this. It removes the excuse of “this makes FR look bad” from the trolls on the CertifiGate threads.


13 posted on 01/01/2009 1:10:31 AM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Cyclops08

“chem trails are the province of trailer park pseudo science.”

I agree, but I have seen real chemtrails !!! From the crop duster that flew over my cotton field in Tennessee.
Of course he was only 25 feet above the ground, hahaha.

The idea that the common vapor trails are chem trails belongs
only to the kook to kook fans and morons.


14 posted on 01/01/2009 1:10:35 AM PST by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia. Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: AlexW

Somehow I’ve missed the whole chemtrail thing. This thread is the first I have heard of it. Strange since I watch Discovery and History channels all the time. /not sure whether to put s tag here


15 posted on 01/01/2009 1:16:10 AM PST by TigersEye (I threw my shoe at Mohammed and hit Allah in the butt.)
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To: TigersEye
Somehow I’ve missed the whole chemtrail thing.

You have to listen to Art Bell late at night on his Coast to Coast radio show.

He also has flat earth callers, and callers that can prove we didn't land on the moon.

16 posted on 01/01/2009 1:27:16 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: TigersEye

“Somehow I’ve missed the whole chemtrail thing.”

You have to be on the kook fringe to know about, or believe
in them.
Being in Europe, Coast to Coast AM, what I call Kook to Kook,
comes on at 7 AM. It is my morning entertainment via online radio.
It does, on occasion, have some great guest and information,
but you have to separate the wheat from the tons of chaff.

There is a big group that think that all the contrails are really chemtrails, put out to alter our minds, kill us, or whatever.
I guess that passenger planes don’t make any of that smoke, hahaha


17 posted on 01/01/2009 1:37:21 AM PST by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia. Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: neverdem
"Can aircraft trails affect climate?"

Definitly. Talk to an AC-130 gunship fire-control guy. You need shovels and barrels to empty out the spent 20mm and 150mm howitzer shells. They blow off really fast. Water-cooled gun barrels.

And don't forget the flares they launch also before going in. Afghan could be warmer with white phosphourus rounds from those 20mm guns. Everything burns down fast.

18 posted on 01/01/2009 1:40:48 AM PST by BobS
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Travis maintains that contrails are an important factor in climate change. "Eventually these impacts will be felt," he says.

He just needs another grant or two and he will be able to prove it. Really. /s

19 posted on 01/01/2009 1:41:59 AM PST by Rocky
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” It removes the excuse of “this makes FR look bad” from the trolls on the CertifiGate threads.”

It actually makes us look like some here believe their non scientific BS!

Contrsils are nothing but frozen water vapor that revert back to water vapor when they melt and disapear.


20 posted on 01/01/2009 1:51:13 AM PST by dalereed
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