Posted on 12/12/2008 6:09:21 AM PST by NYer
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Gee, I’m stunned. Can’t believe they would take this position.
I hope this is a good sign of things to come under Benedict. He has been very vocal on much wrong with the church, and this is the most important of all. Unless we win this war against the culture of death, there is nothing to fight for.........
I hope this is a good sign of things to come under Benedict. He has been very vocal on much wrong with the church, and this is the most important of all. Unless we win this war against the culture of death, there is nothing to fight for.........
How does someone weigh the right of people to ensure their genetic viability into the future, vs. the right of a fertilized egg? I’m curious.
Perhaps you can explain that to me because it sounds like eugenics.
When did man alone become the author of life vs. a persons desire to have a “natural child” via in vitro? What ever happened to adopting if infertile and raising that child as your own? In vitro can be looked at as just as selfish as abortion if you think about what it says. Whether a person chooses to end a pregnancy via abortion because they don’t want that life or going to a lab and forcing life to be manipulated in a test tube and injected are both “me” thinking. We feel we are entitled to have “our own” child or abort “our own” child. Both are a symptom of our own selfishness.
You can call it whatever you want, but the plain, hard, cold fact is, if you don’t reproduce, your physical existence, in terms of the genes that make you, is over. Unless you have clones, that is.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in making sure one’s genetics is preserved through lineage. To do otherwise is genetic extinction.
If you’re infertile, shouldn’t those genes go extinct?
No one has a right to “genetic viability”.
Given your reasoning IVF will be become an government entitlement for any an all who demand it.
You’re being sarcastic, I assume. Why shouldn’t a bunch of old men sit around condemning fertility interventions?
By the way, I am the mother of 4 children. Each is so different from the other they might just as well have been adopted.
No matter how cruel it sounds, adoption is not going to prevent the ending of two individuals' genetic lineage, as a relevant biological entity.
There is absolutely nothing selfish in wanting to see one's genes preserved. In fact, it is the primary rule of life on this planet.
"We feel we are entitled to have our own child... ...symptom of our own selfishness."
Welcome to the rules of life.
Not if you can help it.
“Youre being sarcastic, I assume.”
I am.
A DNA test would show otherwise.
again- natural selection IS scientific- and since for millions of years it has happened naturally with God as the author of life, what gives us in the 21st century, the RIGHT to circumvent that process? Just because we CAN does not mean we SHOULD. a persons genetics is not what makes them a person. Adoption of a child as well as giving birth to a child both make that child YOURS. If a person cannot reproduce naturally, perhaps there is a reason bigger than just their plumbing that they should NOT reproduce, but because we are NOT God, we don’t know what it is. Funny how ever since we have manipulated fertility in this country, it has gone downhill so fast! Maybe due to alot of babies that needed to be born are NOT heredue to abortion,and babies that should have never been “made viable through in vitro” ARE. Time to think.......
You exist today, because those from whom you descended from, adhered dearly to the concept of preserving their genes- voluntarily or otherwise.
“If youre infertile, shouldnt those genes go extinct?”
Why SHOULD they?
Wait, wait, let me go down the street and tell the IVF kid he shouldn’t exist. Is that all right with you?
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