Semmelweis Endorses Scientists' Call for Science to RETRACT Fraudulent Reports on HIV

Semmelweis Society International ^ | December 9, 2008

[GodGunsGuts]

Also see press release:

http://www.rethinkingaids.com/Content/QA/tabid/147/Default.aspx

and letter by scientists:

http://www.rethinkingaids.com/Home/tabid/146/Default.aspx

[GodGunsGuts]

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[allmendream]

HIV going into CD8 positive T helper cells.

[null and void]

Wow. I didn’t know old Ignatz was still around! I guess hand washing really does work!

[GodGunsGuts]

Do you have a link to the page that series came from?

[allmendream]

http://www.plospathogens.org/article/slideshow.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.ppat.1000134&imageURI=info:doi/10.1371/journal.ppat.1000134.g006

Numerous studies have seen GFP (Green Fluorescent Protein) linked HIV entering helper T cells.

[GodGunsGuts]

Ok. The pictures are very pretty. But what is the argument you are trying to make based on those pictures?

[allmendream]

That HIV does enter T helper cells. You couldn’t figure that out? Boy, for someone obsessed with the subject you sure are ignorant about it.

[GodGunsGuts]

Is that all your trying to say, that retroviruses enter cells? What penetrating insight!

[allmendream]

That the specific H.I.V. retrovirus enters a specific cell, the T-helper cell. To deny the evidence for it at this point is abject stupidity.

[GodGunsGuts]

Are you suggesting that I am denying that HIV enters T-Cells?

[InterceptPoint]

Is that all your trying to say, that retroviruses enter cells? What penetrating insight!

I have to agree. That's what retroviruses do by definition. They are not standalone widgets like ordinary viruses.

This is a long way from proving that this retrovirus causes AIDS. There is no proof of that whatsoever and never has been. Anyone who disagrees should post a link to the definitive article in a reputable medical journal that proves that there is a causative relationship (not just a correlation) between HIV and AIDS. Those links used to point foolishly to the 1984 Gallo stuff but that is obviously no longer viable. So I'm anxiously awaiting for new "proof that HIV causes AIDS" links from the true believers.

[allmendream]

“It now appears that Gallo never produced any evidence or proof that HIV attacks cells” from your source.

Obviously somebody is trying to deny that HIV attacks cells, specifically helper-T cells.

[GodGunsGuts]

Not to mention the fact that HIV is grown in permanently infected, immortal T-cell lines for the HIV antibody test. LOL

[Judith Anne]

I’m watching this thread with interest. Thank you for posting.

[GodGunsGuts]

There is a difference between “attacking cells” and a harmless retrovirus benignly dividing in a host cell. You do know that the vast majority of retroviruses are known for being harmless, right? Indeed, if a retrovirus kills its host it commits suicide. Not exactly a good survival strategy, don’t you think?

[aculeus]

I’ll start paying attention to the “HIV-doesn’t-cause-AIDS” gang when they line up to receive blood transfusions from HIV positive donors.

[allmendream]

HIV doesn't kill its host quick enough to preclude its being spread, in fact most people are HIV positive for years before they are symptomatic. A retrovirus doesn't enter a cell for the benefit of the cell, but for the benefit of the retrovirus. A retrovirus must enter a cell in order to reproduce itself, and rampant retroviral reproduction within a cell leads to cell death.

So where do you break the chain GGG?

1) HIV virus enters helper-T cells in order to reproduce HIV virus.
2) HIV titer count is higher in those with low helper T cell counts, and HIV titer count is low in those with high helper T cell counts.
3) Anti retroviral medicine lowers HIV titer count and increases helper T cell count.
4) Low helper T cell count leads to a compromised immune response and thus leads to immune deficiency.

Where does the chain break GGG?

[Judith Anne]

If I remember correctly, HTLV-III causes one of the leukemias.