Posted on 12/10/2008 11:25:07 AM PST by calenel
Your response (not the Senator’s) is one of the better one’s I’ve read.
Oh thank you Calenel, for your oh so brilliant response to the very very incorrect Congressman.
I’ll bet $10 that you won’t hear another peep about it from him as it seems to be the instructions are to deny deny deny on any GOP or Dem Rep/Senator.
I hope no one loses sight of the Indonesian adoption questions as well.
Obama may very well have been born in Hawaii, but why all the secrecy? What's on that certificate that it's worth putting up with all this time, expense and distraction to keep quiet?
Feel free to use any part of it you want.
I guess I'm just to used to hypocrisy from pols. That one slipped right by me. Good point.
I won't take that bet.
No problem! I really liked the letter. But a fresh pair of eyes always adds something, no mattter how good the original text. It would have been “snarky” of you to point that out to him in any event.
You might consider passing this info along to your Senator Johnson. He is clearly very dismissive of this topic and the Internet's review of this topic. The State of Hawaii officials have not validated that Obama was born there.
This is what a Copy of a Certificate of Live Birth (some data redacted) issued by the State of Hawaii, Department of Health in July 1962 for the Birth of a male child in February 1962 on the Island of Oahu looks like. Note the State of Hawaii, Department of Health official embossed seal and official signatures of the then Director of Health, Leo Bernstein, MD and the then Registrar General, Charles G. Bennett. The State of Hawaii officials signatures and the date the document was issued are underlined in red. This document is a photographic copied image. It is a black background document with white letters which clearly were created by a 1962 typewriter. A document similar to this is what most of the lawsuits about the record of birth of Obama are asking to be released for public viewing.
The second image is a copy of the Certification of Live Birth document which has been repeatedly published on a number of web sites as the Official version of Obamas birth record from the State of Hawaii. This is no actual place of birth (hospital, plantation, farm, etc.) shown. See boxes #6a through 6d of the document shown in the first image. There is also no Department of Health official embossed seal on this document.
On November 1, 2008, the following email was send:
To The Honorable Linda Lingle Dear Governor Lingle,
I ask that you release all information that the State of Hawaii Department of Health has on Senator Barack Obama's Certificate of Live Birth documentation.
Certainly over 100 million or so Americans, our countrymen, who will be voting on November 4th, 2008 deserve to have this information be publicly made available to them as part of the information they will weigh concerning a candidate as each of them places their vote for President on or before this date.
I can think of no higher purpose for any government entity or branch, than to ensure full, fair, and accurate information is given about a Presidential candidate.
As you well know, the "COLB" or other documents presented as true copies by the Barack Obama campaign website are false and have been digitally modified. As you must realize, this falsification of a presupposed State of Hawaii "official" record, directly and indirectly damages all State of Hawaii real birth records.
These falsehoods from the Obama campaign are a direct attack on the integrity of your governorship and on the integrity of all records kept by the State of Hawaii.
When you took your oath of Office as Governor of the state of Hawaii, did you not also swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States?
By not addresses this issue how and fully, you are also directly denigrating the official State of Hawaii recognition of the birth record of my son who was born in Hawaii just several months after the date of the record(s) in question.
This issue MUST be answered by the truth. By not addresses this issue, you are not fulfilling your oath of office.
Resident of the State of Hawaii
1960 1963
As a response the following statement attributed to the current Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, Chiyome Fukino, MD and the current Registrar General per their joint press release on October 31, 2008 was returned by email: in part: Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obamas original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.. Their complete public statement clearly made no references to the key data to be found in #6 boxes and well as the supporting data as in the #7 boxes in the first image.
In fact this response by the office of the Governor of the State of Hawaii was a very disingenuous and fraudulence response to my original query.
If you had the responsibility to investigate, qualify and vet someone who is to be given a United States Military Top Secret, No Foreign Special Access Security Clearance including the nuclear weapons launch control codes, which document of the two images shown would you find acceptable as a genuine State of Hawaii government issued Record of a Birth in the State of Hawaii?
You be the Judge (Roberts, Souter, Ginsburg, Scalia, Stevens, Alito, Kenny, Breyer, Thomas). _______________________________
Excellent, excellent, excellent letter. That is the most concise explanation I have seen to date of this situation. Your letter would provide a great model to send to everyone’s Congress persons.
Tim Johnson? If there isn’t a requirement that a Senator have more physical capacity than choosing which corner of the mouth from which to drool in order to vote, there should be.
Yes, there is that. Don’t blame me, I voted for the other guy.
How was the race of negro/black/africans termed in 1961?
I dont think it was African...
Well... at least you have some recorded response from Washington, DC. I wrote letters as well, several times! The response I got from my Missouri congressman:
Senator Kit Bond (R) ZERO
Senator Claire McCaskill (D) ZERO
Rep. Todd Akin (R), “Thank you for contacting my office.”
They could care less about this issue. The Fool-Aid was served in Washington and the entire Congress drank it!
How was the race of negro/black/africans termed in 1961?
I dont think it was African...maybe if we had another Certificate from that same time period we could see if there are any inconsistencies
Thanks for posting those documents. The old-style original photocopy is exactly what mine from Kansas looks like, given that I was born in 1955. The BHO summary document is interesting in several areas. First, as previously noted, it is a document attesting to the existence of another, supposedly original, source document. This raises the question of why the need for such a document about a document and why was there a need to create an authority for it within the Hawai’i Revised Statutes?
Second, the BHO document does not reflect the date of its production or the certifying authority of the existence of the original (the statement by the Director of Health and the Registrar are not binding). This is basic to any legal document, even as pedestrian as the notarizing of a car title for transfer or sale. The question behind the question is when did BHO have the document produced and for what reason?
Finally, there is no such race as “African”. To me, this is what exposes this document as a fraud as that term would not have been in use in 1961 and would not have appeared on the original document.
BTW, as a previous holder of the type of clearance you reference, I fully endorse the use of that perspective when considering this matter.
Many thanks.
Your letter is the best summary of the main issues I have read.
I sent a similar letter to Chambliss here in Georgia.
His reply:
Thank you for contacting me regarding Senator Barack Obama’s eligibility to become President. It is good to hear from you.
Article II of the Constitution states that in order to be President, a person must be a natural-born citizen, at least 35 years old, and have resided in the U.S. for at least 14 years. Regardless of the citizenship status of the parents, any person born on U.S. soil is a U.S. citizen.
Senator Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961, which makes him a U.S. citizen and at age 46 he meets the minimum age requirement. He has also resided in the U.S. for at least 14 years. While I do not agree with many of Senator Obama’s policy positions, he does meet the Constitutional requirements to be President of the United States .
If you would like to receive timely email alerts regarding the latest congressional actions and my weekly e-newsletter, please sign up via my web site at: www.chambliss.senate.gov . Please let me know whenever I may be of assistance.
Here is my reply to THAT:
Senator Chambliss,
Please provide me the evidence you have proving Obama’s Hawaiian birth.
Thank you.
I’m still waiting for his reply.
I’m NOT holding my breath.
Excellent letter.
One point I would have made is that the claims in the press that Hawaiian officials have “confirmed he was born in Hawaii” are ALL erroneous and are based on the false assumption made by 0bama’s supporters in the media that having a valid Hawaiian birth certificate equates to being born in Hawaii, which it does not, since foreign born babies could be registered there in 1961.
You might also point out that no official in Hawaii is permitted, under law, to reveal the contents of the original certificate so any comments pertaining to the same would put that official in legal jeopardy, so the likelihood of any such revelations to the media are highly unlikely.
She can't. It would be illegal to do so, other than to say it exists, which has already been said.
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