Scotland Parliament Strongly Rejects Legislation to Legalize Assisted Suicide

Life News ^ | 12/8/08 | Steven Ertelt

[wagglebee]

I oppose government involvement in personal medical issues. Government has no right to end an innocent life, it also has no right to extend life against the wishes of a dying individual.

Yet you want the GOVERNMENT to legislate policy whereby physicians would be REQUIRED to end a patient's life.

If the government is the ultimate arbiter of life and death (as you want it to be),

No, I believe that God is the arbiter. You are trying to force the government to make MAN the arbiter.

[BykrBayb]

Pro-life means choosing to kill is not an option. You cannot be both pro-life and pro-death. The views you’re expressing are certainly not pro-life. No one here is suggesting that the government should decide who lives and who dies. The government should not have a choice in the matter. Murder, in all its forms, is off the table. Period.

[wagglebee]

You cannot be both pro-life and pro-death.

But, but the Rooty Rooters said that you could . . . oh yeah, they all got zapped.

[zarodinu]

Yet you want the GOVERNMENT to legislate policy whereby physicians would be REQUIRED to end a patient's life. Apples and oranges. Nobody is talking about requiring anything. Patients would have the RIGHT to end their suffering with the aid of a physician. Involuntary euthanasia is just good old fashioned murder. That's not the issue at hand. No, I believe that God is the arbiter. You are trying to force the government to make MAN the arbiter Civil law either puts something under government control or leaves it up to the individual. You may believe that God is the arbiter, but you are letting a government clerk have the final say on what God wills.

[BykrBayb]

This explains why the troll showed up here.

zarodinu
Since Nov 27, 2008

December 1, 2008 post by zarodinu
I am an outright atheist and I believe in evil.

[arderkrag]

Irrelevant comparison. Drunk driving actively, by itself, puts other drivers at risk. Euthanasia does not, by itself, put anyone at risk.

[wagglebee]

Your arguments are totally baseless, you are supporting government legislation to legalize euthanasia, yet you claim to want the government out of it.

And in case it escaped your notice, we are talking about the UK which has socialized health care, so physicians would be REQUIRED to participate.

It is fairly obvious that you are a libertarian and, though you share some beliefs with conservatives, you are not a conservative.

[wagglebee]

Euthanasia does not, by itself, put anyone at risk.

Nonsense.

[wagglebee]

Hitler was an atheist who believed in evil.

[arderkrag]

Really? Keep thinking that. it’s only what it could lead to - people being killed under the guise of euthanasia - that puts the rights of the citizenry at risk. The euthanasia itself does not. The two are separate.

[wagglebee]

Read the links I posted in #19, they are already talking to make euthanasia INVOLUNTARY in the UK:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2145184/posts?page=19#19

[arderkrag]

I’m a libertarian. I’m a conservative. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[wagglebee]

Actually, they are.

[zarodinu]

“We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out”.

-Adolf Hitler

[BykrBayb]

But, but the Rooty Rooters said that you could . . . oh yeah, they all got zapped.

And they would never return under a new troll name, right? LOL

[arderkrag]

You really don't get what I'm saying. What they are talking about has nothing to do with whether the act of euthanasia in and of itself should be legal.

[wagglebee]

What are you trying to say?

[wagglebee]

I don’t know, but the Bug Zapper was just Peachy!

[arderkrag]

No, they aren’t. Libertarians are simply not in the business of using government to meet social ends, or to prevent social change.

[wagglebee]

What they are talking about has nothing to do with whether the act of euthanasia in and of itself should be legal.

Taking human life is morally WRONG and it is MURDER and should therefore be ILLEGAL.