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Road to ruin: Happy Valley (Oregon) street embodies national housing bust
The Oregonian ^ | December 7, 2008 | Ryan Frank

Posted on 12/07/2008 9:17:55 AM PST by Bean Counter

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To: marsh2

I had this at the house next door. A flipper bought it, made some improvements and sold it to an older couple at the peak. The older couple then tried to flip the flip. They had it up for sale for 2 years and had 1 offer. The husband died and the wife is renting it out. My guess is she ia barely covering he taxes and other expenses.


21 posted on 12/07/2008 9:56:07 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: Bean Counter

You cold, cruel SOB. These poor retirees were just trying to improve their nest egg. Now you want to hold them accountable for their own personal investment decisions? How can you be so heartless? It’s our obligation to pay more taxes to help out these hapless souls. I know I am undertaxed and am only more than happy to fork over more money to prevent more of these sad cases from going to foreclosure. We should all do our patriotic duty and send more money to Washington.


22 posted on 12/07/2008 9:57:27 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Bean Counter
These people made bad business decisions and bad bets. That doesn't make them any greedier than anyone else, just less successful in what they tried. No one is going to bail them out, either, because it is a second home. They'll have to pay the piper, and that's right, but if we place to much of an onus on "greed", then why should anyone ever take a chance?

Capitalism implies a profit motive, which is another word for greed. Let them succeed if they can, but if they fail, then that's on them.

The real greed is on Wall Street, where trillions of dollars of securities where sold on the foolish notion that markets will always go up, never down, and risk is spread out so widely as to be inconsiderable. All false, but because they had such powerful allies in Washington then they where bailed out, at our expense.

We all said "let them fail", but that's not what our overlords in Washington wanted.

23 posted on 12/07/2008 9:58:38 AM PST by Batrachian
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To: Bean Counter

The government is not supposed to save people from themselves. Who would be so stupid to buy an investment property in an undeveloped area, where there are no jobs?


24 posted on 12/07/2008 10:00:52 AM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: Bean Counter
Number six is the real kicker, $35,447.00 in wages and some lender made him a loan on a $638,206.00 house. Someone should be in jail!!
25 posted on 12/07/2008 10:04:12 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: Batrachian
The real greed is on Wall Street, where trillions, and trillions, and trillions, and trillions and trillions, of dollars of securities where sold on the foolish notion that markets will always go up, never down, and risk is spread out so widely as to be inconsiderable. All false, but because they had such powerful allies in Washington then they where bailed out, at our expense.

Still may be a few trillion short!!!

26 posted on 12/07/2008 10:06:55 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: Bean Counter
From the article: "It was the next dot-com," says Jeff Tabler, 40, who bought a discounted Francesca Lane home at an auction in January. "Anyone who thought they could speculate on it did speculate on it."

What makes him think he's not speculating that the bottom has been reached. The article says the glut of empty lots and partially built homes there will depress prices for "months if not years". Buying a grossly-overprised home at a 20% discount in a falling market is not, IMHO, a good practice.

27 posted on 12/07/2008 10:13:19 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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She lowered the price to $749,000. Even after a year, she still had no offer.

Interesting, she tried for a whole year at $749K after starting at $799K.

The year with no sale should have given her an inkling of the conditions... she probably could have easily dumped it for more than the $633K she bought it for in that period...

28 posted on 12/07/2008 10:21:22 AM PST by az_gila (AZ - need less democrats)
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To: Oatka

It seems that a lot of these late term “flippers” were people who had little experience in the commercial world and finally got greedy watching the market.
We have some friends of similiar social service type background who are in deep do do with multiple properties in CA. These people should not be bailed out. When they were getting in..we were getting out. A lot of people in the CA and west thought the bubble would go on forever, but bubbles always burst.
There will be another wave of foreclosurers as more investors walk on property beyond their means..job losses will further fuel the fire.


29 posted on 12/07/2008 10:30:45 AM PST by Oldexpat (Drill Here, Drill There..we must drill everywhere.)
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To: org.whodat

“Number six is the real kicker, $35,447.00 in wages and some lender made him a loan on a $638,206.00 house. Someone should be in jail!! “

The story doesn’t ID the lender, but I’ll bet you a burger it was WAMU...


30 posted on 12/07/2008 10:32:36 AM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts.....)
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To: Frantzie

Those shows on TV show the flippers actually IMPROVING a rundown house, not just a buy-and-hold strategy waiting for prices to go up. This couple learned the wrong lesson.


31 posted on 12/07/2008 10:33:12 AM PST by jaybee
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To: Frantzie

” The husband died and the wife is renting it out. My guess is she ia barely covering he taxes and other expenses.”
....I wish you well on this my friend...in our old neighborhood we had several houses that didn’t sell so they bacame rent houses....which meant they became problems...


32 posted on 12/07/2008 10:33:52 AM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: STONEWALLS

So far the people are not bad. I will have no tolerance for it. it is weird that sometimes they are not there.


33 posted on 12/07/2008 10:38:22 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: Bean Counter

These were speculators. they took risk in order to make a profit. They lost their gamble. There is always risk associated with this sort of transaction. Although Wall Street is working very hard to eliminate risk, it won’t work.


34 posted on 12/07/2008 11:00:04 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: BigBobber

There’s a whole lot of 5000 sq. ft. houses out there. A whole lot more than there are families of ten to live in them.


35 posted on 12/07/2008 11:00:32 AM PST by seowulf (Discipline knows no emotion and frequently runs counter to the whims of panic or elation.)
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I’m buying right now. The house is modest and tidy, if a bit large for just myself and the soon-to-be-adopted cat. I put a hard-saved 20% down on it, and the mortgage payments are less than I would pay in rent.

Job number one after settlement will be accumulating a significant cash reserve. I am planning to accumulate a YEAR’S expenses before I branch out at all financially, with the exception of doing a company stock purchase thing.

I went through my flat-broke can’t-afford-a-tank-of-gas phase about two and a half years ago. I ain’t going there again, not if I can help it.


36 posted on 12/07/2008 11:17:46 AM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Bean Counter

Greedy speculator gets burned.


37 posted on 12/07/2008 11:37:33 AM PST by PAR35
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A whole lot more than there are families of ten to live in them

Solves two problems at one fell swoop! I expect this to be happening in the near future, with government stepping in to give these homes away to socialism's constituents.

38 posted on 12/07/2008 11:41:40 AM PST by P.O.E. (Big Government is the opiate of the masses.)
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To: BigBobber

they’re just not making those loans anymore. Can’t see stupidity being outlawed however. This is Darwinism in action and regardless of how much money is thrown at the problem it will continue to play its way out.


39 posted on 12/07/2008 11:55:15 AM PST by wiggen
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“We should all do our patriotic duty and send more money to Washington.”

Amen. No one pays enough taxes and no one is regulated too much. /s off.

Who would have thought that the country that Washington, Adams (Both of them), and the others would fall so far so fast.


40 posted on 12/07/2008 11:56:26 AM PST by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals really intend to increase the misery through their actions. Gives them power)
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