Political coup in Canada; Dion to replace Harper as new PM

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[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

This is why party affiliation is terribly important.

When people say “Yeah, he’s a Democrat, but he’s a conservative Democrat” it makes me furious.

Or “I vote for the person, not the party”.

It doesn’t matter how good a person is, they vote for the leadership of their “team”. A conservative pro-life, pro-gun Democratic congressman will still vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House.

Our brothers in Canada are seeing how close of an edge this has taken. If even 11 Bloc Quebecois members wanted Harper to stay in power, it would be so. But they are more loyal to their party than to the will of the people.

So those Canadians who voted for a member that was a good person but not in Harpers party have wrought this situation with their own hand.

[Canadian Outrage]

AMEN!!! May they answer for this. CO

[JNL]

What are you talking about? As per the rules if there is a vote of non-confidence the Prime Minister must go to the GG and inform her that he does not have the confidence of the house.

This act occurs after every election.

The Prime Minister, if he has lost an election, is still the Prime Minister. He or she then goes to the GG and states that they have lost the confidence of the house.

At no time is Canada without a Prime Minister.

If I take you opinion at face value, after an election in which the Prime Minister loses, the opposition always disolves parliment.

[JNL]

Excuse me....how is allowing Harper is suspend government in any way Democratic? This is not unprescedented and don’t try to make out that it is.

The GG must decide who has the confidence of the house and Harper doesn’t. This is the way Canadian Govt 101 works. ‘

Jeez I voted for Harper but all this talk about “treason”, “suspending government to stay in power”, “separation” is disturbing.

[Sam Gamgee]

This is the first time opposition caused the dissolve of parliament in which it FORMED A COALITION. Parliament has before been dissolved but it resulted in an ELECTION.

[Sam Gamgee]

I wouldn't call is treason but it would be utterly foolish for the GG to lay power at the feet of the separatist party. In any case time for the socialist hordes of PQ to finally leave. Good riddance. Time to wet Jack's feet in cement and throw that thug into the pond he deserves to fall into. As for Queen May, I guess getting her pussy wet on those guys was just too much temptation for that bitch.

[Sam Gamgee]

I don't find the talk about separation disturbing at all. Time to separate PQ from the ROC. I am so sick of them sucking us dry out West. Taliban Jack is going to destroy Canada's corporate sector. Goodbye Canada.

[JNL]

However talk of treason make you feel comfortable. This is not treason but rather a legal manuver on the part of the opposition. There is no constitutional crisis, the consitution is clear.

Now where is http://pm.gc.ca/eng/bio.asp?id=46

My wife and I really wish....and I even know liberals who really wish for a real leader.

Harper’s toast.

[Sam Gamgee]

Creating a coalition agreement that gives control of the nation to separatists IS treason.

[JNL]

So everytime Harper joined with the Bloc to pass legislation (effectively creating a coalition) he commited treason?

[Sam Gamgee]

He never created a coalition with the Bloc. He just helped pass good legislation with them. Have you read what this deal is about? The Bloc is going to milk the Canadian taxpayer as a condition of its agreement. This is a formal agreement to FORM A GOVERNMENT. Why don't you tell our American friends why the Bloc can't sit in cabinet. Every public employee, right from the lowly file clerk, must give an oath of allegiance to the people. Bloc members cannot and will not do that. So we are going to create a government coalition with members who don't have any allegiance to the people of Canada. And that isn't treason?

My God, do you support this coalition?

[JNL]

Doesn’t matter if I support this coalition (I still think it’s good for the conservatives). But you are being overly dramatic. The BLOC memebers were duly elected to the Canadian House of Commons. Whether or not you agree with their beliefs is besides the point.

As members of said house it falls to them to support or defeat a minority government. It really doesn’t matter whether you like this or not these the facts of the matter.

Canadian’s voted these people in and they represent them. If their constituents demand they bring down Harper’s government it is their duty to do so.

Harper does not have a majority, his party lives and dies by the rules of the house.

This is NOT a coup, it is parlimentary procedure. This is not treason, this is how it works. To tell it any differently is disengenuous.

Any Canadian high school student can tell you that.

[Sam Gamgee]

It is not a coup. It is a junta.

Any GG of any worth would not approve of a coalition that requires the ROC to pay fealty to the province of Quebec for their support. A constitutional monarchy is an English apparatus not a French one.

[JNL]

No it’s a constitutionally allowed procedure. Eventually Canadian will clue in to the fact that all this screaming about coup’s and or junta’s is, or are lies.

The press is already starting to prostrate themselves at the altar of the liberal’s and lay out what is constitutionally correct and what isn’t, guess what this falls under.

IMHO Harper blew it big time and looks weak at this point but hopefully it can be turned into a positive. Dion, of course looked worse but we all know he’s on his way out and anyone they choose will shine brighter.

we will see what happens come January 27th but any hopes Harper had of passing anything remotely responsible are out the window.

And for what?

[Sam Gamgee]

How is it Harper's fault? This was all planned weeks ago by the opposition. What could Harper have done - sell out taxpayers to the union and corporate thugs in Ontario? We don't need a stimulus package - aka graffe to political connections. The US has gone down that path and is more or less now in receivership - thanks to Paulson and his Wall Street henchmen.

This all just confirms what I have always suspected about Canada - it is a banana republic with snowflakes. Don't know if it was Mark Steyn that coined that, but pretty accurate description.

Harper needs to stuff the Senate with 18 conservatives for his parting shot.

[JNL]

But by trying to push the end of welfare for Political parties he gave them the excuse to go ballastic. Anything he does now will be in the interest of keeping power.

He will basically give the East whatever they want....need a bailout....need some money.....need even more money....etc

He now rules from a position of weakness.

I ask again, what did he achieve by trying to pass what he did? Nothing!

You know who won? Gilles Duceppe, that’s who. He got Harper to go all out negative against Quebec, he not only insulted Bloc members but insulted all Quebecers’. He painted them as the boogeyman and Gilles Duceppe loved every minute.

Quebecer’s looked at Harper and rejected him,,,,

How do I know, cause I live and work there. I work for an American firm up here and the vitrol against Harper is so thick you can taste it.

God what a mess.

[SerafinQ]

Sad news for Canada, but this story can give conservatives hope in the US. If this axis of socialism can unify to oust their governemnt, then we can create an alliance of Liberty in America to do the same.

[Sam Gamgee]

Well good riddance to PQ if it ever comes to that...which I know it won’t sadly...being on the dole of the English people is just too much to give up.

I think Harper should give PQ its own parliament where they can make all decisions outside of defense. But they then get no voice in the Parliament of Canada.

[Canadian Outrage]

Than blame the deserving individuals. Layton went to weak kneed Dion to hatch this rediculous “coalition”. To my knowledge there has never been “hastily formed coalitions” before. Non-confidence votes yes, that is perfectly legal. This was a political power play by three boobs who couldn’t get elected in their own right, to try to turn over the results of an election a little over a month after the same. It was rediculous and bound to fail right from the get-go. English Canada is rightfully outraged. Not only that, the coalition is already falling apart. Can you see these three parties actually working together on a full time basis? Not bloody likely. CO

[JNL]

How exactly are they “turning over an election”. The conservatives won a minority government that rules at the whim of the opposition.

At any time those parties can form a government. This is constitutional.

I really hate being the voice of reason here, but people aren’t seeing it as it really is.