Let the Guy Smoke: Obama Is Probably Fibbing About Giving Up Cigarettes. That's Okay.

The Washington Post ^ | November 20, 2008 | Michael Kinsley

[Balding_Eagle]

????? Second request. source? link? backup? documentation?

This is also my second request to ask you to please comment on my posts #32 and #39.

I understand your reluctance. Supporting the current arrangement of Big Government forcing the no-smoking rules at the point of a gun would reflect on your Marxist leanings.

Never-the-less, give it a shot, what do you think of the assertions I made in posts #32 and #39?

[Drango]

Big Government tyrants forcing people NOT to smoke at the point of a gun is far more dangerous... what do you think of the assertions I made

I think you had too much whiskey last night and when I asked you to back up you ludicrous claims with documentation, you punted.

[JavaJumpy]

This is the least of my worries when it comes to passes being given to the President-elect, but maybe that’s just me.

Since he wants to go to electronic medical records, I’d like to see the government red flag anyone who admits to smoking and then hit them with a penalty. After all, we keep hearing preventive care is the key and I’m sure the voters won’t mind the intrusiveness involved if it’s better for the greater good.

[Balding_Eagle]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1395350/posts

Right after the 5th paragraph is a table with a breakdown by country. The total mid-estimate is about 110,286,000.

I thought you would be mildly resourceful. Obviously I overestimated your curiosity about the end point of the path you are championing.

No matter your own stand today, your children, grandchildren, and greatgrandchildren will be among those killed too, if you and yours are successful.

[JavaJumpy]

“And if you’ve ever typed the phrase, “I HATE” (in capital letters, just like that) you might wanta check out DailyKos or Democratic Underground; you just might be one of them.”

I think you have to have “xxxxing hate” to really be a lib, don’t you? Those two words seem to go hand-in-hand over there.

[JavaJumpy]

“If that’s not your vice, don’t worry, they’ll be going for the fatties right after that.”

They already are. Some health insurance plans discount premiums for those who have proper BMI scores. The rest pay as much as $35/more per month for their health insurance premium.

Where do you stop? Fat, alcohol, smoking, risky sexual behaviors.....why should someone who engages in risky sexual behaviors get a discount because they are in the proper range for BMI?

[Old Professer]

There is ome woman who lobbied to get her doctor to put that on her death certificate.

[Old Professer]

How do you feel about cabbage?

[Old Professer]

Asthma attacks can occur at any time, unfortunately.

The odd thing about the smoking cessation movement is that, as the numbers of smokers go down the number of new diagnoses of asthma goes up.

The general state of the air we breathe is much cleaner now than when we first were able to measure it and yet these same ailments torment us.

Too much we don’t know to focus on one thing as the sake of the rest.

[nomad]

Isn`t it illegal to smoke in federal buildings?Isn`t the Whitehouse a federal building?

[Drango]

Uhhhhh nothing in your link is about smoking??? Here is in part what you said

Big Government tyrants forcing people NOT to smoke at the point of a gun is far more dangerous... The score for these tyrants is 100,000,000+ deaths for the last century alone.

I asked for data to support that. I agree that leftist have killed a lot of people. How does that relate to smoking?

[Balding_Eagle]

I’ll be happy to reply to your question, but please answer one for me first; how old are you? under 30?

[elkfersupper]

I personally took a person to the morgue who was killed by second-hand smoke. She has asthma attack when her uncle smoked in the house.

So, the death certificate said that she died of second-hand smoke.

I would like to see that.

[elkfersupper]

my Grandmother is allergic to tobacco smoke

Allergic reactions require proteins.

There are no proteins in tobacco smoke.

[elkfersupper]

I find it hard to breath in a room when someone is smoking because I am mildly alergic and my throat closes off in reaction

What you are experiencing is hysteria.

Allergic reactions require proteins.

There is no protein in tobacco smoke.

[elkfersupper]

Do your parents know you’re using their computer?

[AppyPappy]

She died of asthma. Smoke was the trigger.

[flowerplough]

I must have really hit a nerve with you - what with you throwing out the motherload

You probably were referring to a "mother lode", a principal vein or zone of veins of gold or silver ore. Heh heh.

I don't smoke, but I do get so tired of whiny people, most of 'em libs, telling me where and why I shouldn't smoke. Most recent studies show that anti-smokers exaggerate the second-hand smoke risk like the Global Warming EcoFreakos exaggerate on their pet panic, and also like the Prohibitionists hyper-dramatized the dangers of Demon rum. And the no perfume, no deodorant, multiple-chemical-sensitivies idiots, they're right in line with "your rights ending where others’ noses begin", hayna? Or no? You antis, known by the company you keep?

[Just another Joe]

The ETS-childhood asthma risk link is pretty solid.

If that's the case then why is it that as the percentage of smokers goes down the percentage of childhood asthma goes up?

I'm not saying that ETS causes less children to get asthma. Just pointing out a conundrum.

[rod1]

“If that’s the case then why is it that as the percentage of smokers goes down the percentage of childhood asthma goes up?”

Because there are numerous prenatal-perinatal-neonatal environmental factors for childhood asthma with cigarette smoke representing only one of many. This can be seen in the work of Australian immunologists/pediatricians Holt and Sly, the review by Yeatts et al. (Environmental Health Perspectives, 2006) and the upcoming review in Birth Defects Research Part B (appearing online in December, 2008).

If fact what current EPA or FDA requirements are even pertinent for assessing risk of pediatric allergic disease? I suspect you will find there are none.