Posted on 11/19/2008 3:56:29 PM PST by wagglebee
Pius MAY have adopted a “stand off” policy to save as many as possible, but I would not call this a failure.
So?....If too many Catholic leaders preach the religion of Marxism is it any wonder that 45% of Mass attending Catholic would vote for Obama thinking that he was a god on earth?
The Catholic Church is in serious need of reform. That reform will come from the many God-fearing Catholics who practice **ALL** of their religion. These are the grass root people who will ultimately demand reform from their weak bishops. I wish we had a nation full to the brim with these faithful God-fearing Catholic Christians.
Ditto.
McCain didn’t made some mention of abortion in the final debate, but by then it was too late.
You know perfectly well (or should know) that to support and encourage the commission of sin by any means is the same as committing that sin. If the Church, in it's wisdom as the representative of Jesus Christ on earth, determines that we can no longer in good conscience enable the State to continue this abomination then all of us must make a choice as to our true allegiance.
When the rendering to Caesar becomes the denial of God's law than that rendering itself becomes sinful. Read your St. Augustine.
Yes, caught myself. See post #41.
He is one of the few Protestants that I truly believe the Catholic Church should consider for sainthood.
Compare that to Pius threatening to excommunicate Catholics who voted Communist in 1948. Yes his policy saved some Jews. It also saved his own neck.
YEAH!! Perfect!
It just needs the “What, me worry?” slogan to be a visual reminder of our tanking economy/civilization :(
As a Lutheran pastor, he wouldn’t go for it. Bottom line, the almighty knows his own, I’m sure of that.
If Hitler had deposed Pius and installed a puppet, things would have been a lot worse. In hindsight, it is easy to see how Pius (and FDR, Churchill and a host of others) could have done things differently and possibly had better results, but it is wrong to say that Pius acted with malice or indifference.
You can look at Iowa. I haven’t talked to a Catholic who DIDN’T vote Obama, sad to say.
“If Hitler had deposed Pius and installed a puppet, things would have been a lot worse.”
That can be argued, however, what is the current Pope’s excuse for doing nothing?
And it is probable that respect for him is what prevents it and the Lord certainly knows His own. For what it’s worth, “The Cost of Discipleship” has always seemed far more Catholic than Lutheran to me.
If you believe that, you are corrupted.
Scripture trumps Augustine every time. You continue to make excuses for actions which run directly contrary to scripture. The Gospel says pay your taxes, even to a Caesar. The early Christians certainly did NOT rebel against a government that was worse (from a moral perspective) than an American government which passes FOCA. Their example should instruct you.
Catholic bishops are masters of obfuscation!
How many dense and lengthy letters from bishops have we read here on free republic? It is **amazing** how they can bury a nugget of truth in a mountain of verbiage.
If bishops really had any backbone they could say what needed to be said in 25 words or less.
The Pope spoke out very forcefully against abortion when he was here this spring. Dozens of bishops spoke out during campaign.
There could have been a great deal of public backlash if a foreign head of state had appeared to publicly take sides in the election.
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