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The Coming "War" Between the Obama Administration and the Catholic Church
LifeSiteNews ^ | 11/19/08 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 11/19/2008 3:56:29 PM PST by wagglebee

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101 posted on 11/19/2008 5:25:30 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("I love democracy. I love Free Republic")
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To: RKV

Pius MAY have adopted a “stand off” policy to save as many as possible, but I would not call this a failure.


102 posted on 11/19/2008 5:27:04 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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103 posted on 11/19/2008 5:28:32 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("I love democracy. I love Free Republic")
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To: wagglebee
Far too many Catholic bishops and priests, and far too many administering and teaching in Catholic schools and universities, worship Karl Marx and practice the religion of Liberation Theology and “Social Justice”.

So?....If too many Catholic leaders preach the religion of Marxism is it any wonder that 45% of Mass attending Catholic would vote for Obama thinking that he was a god on earth?

The Catholic Church is in serious need of reform. That reform will come from the many God-fearing Catholics who practice **ALL** of their religion. These are the grass root people who will ultimately demand reform from their weak bishops. I wish we had a nation full to the brim with these faithful God-fearing Catholic Christians.

104 posted on 11/19/2008 5:29:06 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wagglebee

Ditto.


105 posted on 11/19/2008 5:29:33 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: SHOOT THE MOON bat

McCain didn’t made some mention of abortion in the final debate, but by then it was too late.


106 posted on 11/19/2008 5:29:56 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: RKV
You are engaging in sophistry. Making a plausible but fallacious argument.

You know perfectly well (or should know) that to support and encourage the commission of sin by any means is the same as committing that sin. If the Church, in it's wisdom as the representative of Jesus Christ on earth, determines that we can no longer in good conscience enable the State to continue this abomination then all of us must make a choice as to our true allegiance.

When the rendering to Caesar becomes the denial of God's law than that rendering itself becomes sinful. Read your St. Augustine.

107 posted on 11/19/2008 5:31:04 PM PST by mick
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To: RKV
It’s liberation theology, not libertarian theology btw

Yes, caught myself. See post #41.

108 posted on 11/19/2008 5:32:29 PM PST by what's up
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To: RKV

He is one of the few Protestants that I truly believe the Catholic Church should consider for sainthood.


109 posted on 11/19/2008 5:33:07 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Compare that to Pius threatening to excommunicate Catholics who voted Communist in 1948. Yes his policy saved some Jews. It also saved his own neck.


110 posted on 11/19/2008 5:34:13 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

YEAH!! Perfect!

It just needs the “What, me worry?” slogan to be a visual reminder of our tanking economy/civilization :(


111 posted on 11/19/2008 5:34:56 PM PST by nanetteclaret (Blessed Martyrs of Compiegne, Pray for Us!)
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To: wagglebee

As a Lutheran pastor, he wouldn’t go for it. Bottom line, the almighty knows his own, I’m sure of that.


112 posted on 11/19/2008 5:36:36 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV

If Hitler had deposed Pius and installed a puppet, things would have been a lot worse. In hindsight, it is easy to see how Pius (and FDR, Churchill and a host of others) could have done things differently and possibly had better results, but it is wrong to say that Pius acted with malice or indifference.


113 posted on 11/19/2008 5:39:03 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: PhiKapMom

You can look at Iowa. I haven’t talked to a Catholic who DIDN’T vote Obama, sad to say.


114 posted on 11/19/2008 5:40:43 PM PST by ltrman61
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To: wagglebee

“If Hitler had deposed Pius and installed a puppet, things would have been a lot worse.”

That can be argued, however, what is the current Pope’s excuse for doing nothing?


115 posted on 11/19/2008 5:43:25 PM PST by gscc
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To: RKV

And it is probable that respect for him is what prevents it and the Lord certainly knows His own. For what it’s worth, “The Cost of Discipleship” has always seemed far more Catholic than Lutheran to me.


116 posted on 11/19/2008 5:43:36 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: RKV

If you believe that, you are corrupted.


117 posted on 11/19/2008 5:46:19 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (Gen. George S. Patton to Michael Moore... American Carol: "I really like slapping you.")
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To: mick

Scripture trumps Augustine every time. You continue to make excuses for actions which run directly contrary to scripture. The Gospel says pay your taxes, even to a Caesar. The early Christians certainly did NOT rebel against a government that was worse (from a moral perspective) than an American government which passes FOCA. Their example should instruct you.


118 posted on 11/19/2008 5:46:47 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: virgil
I would just like the Catholic church to give a strong anti-abortion message in plain unequivocal language.
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Catholic bishops are masters of obfuscation!

How many dense and lengthy letters from bishops have we read here on free republic? It is **amazing** how they can bury a nugget of truth in a mountain of verbiage.

If bishops really had any backbone they could say what needed to be said in 25 words or less.

119 posted on 11/19/2008 5:47:06 PM PST by wintertime
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To: gscc

The Pope spoke out very forcefully against abortion when he was here this spring. Dozens of bishops spoke out during campaign.

There could have been a great deal of public backlash if a foreign head of state had appeared to publicly take sides in the election.


120 posted on 11/19/2008 5:47:06 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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