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CIA Agents Confirm: Al Queda WAS In Iraq in Before Invasion
Flopping Aces ^ | Nov 13, 2008 | Scott

Posted on 11/13/2008 9:30:17 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: aWolverine
LOL, I don't know why I didn't google last night. LOL, I knew it was Klingon (- or gibberish)! ;-)
61 posted on 11/14/2008 7:34:47 AM PST by fortunecookie
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To: Allegra
People are quick to criticize President Bush for not divulging ALL about that, but it is for very serious security reasons that he does not.

Allegra, I've read your posts from Iraq for years now. I respect your service to our country and your willingness to sacrifice to get the job done. We agree on most things, but I have to differ on this one.

I simply cannot see how GWB's inability or outright unwillingness to vigorously defend himself against the left vis-a-vis his decision to go into Iraq has been anything but a drag on the war effort. He allowed his administration to be politically crippled for the entirity of his second term. The wildfire of opposition in the media that his weakness fanned allowed AQ ready access to it's only real weapon - propaganda. IMHO, this allowed the war to drag out much longer than it would have otherwise.

How in the world is a weakened US President good for the country in wartime? I've seen no proof that this tactic of turning the other cheek has been a net benefit for us or a useful tool against our enemies. Frankly, I think the US military has brought Iraq to heel despite the administration.

Stay safe over there, A.

62 posted on 11/14/2008 8:10:48 AM PST by AngryJawa (SOCIALISM SUCKS)
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To: Lancey Howard
Sorry for the sarcasm, but keep in mind that Bush and the current Iraqi leadership believed that it was necessary to secretly get the stuff out of Iraq even after Saddam was long gone. That should say something.

No problemo.

It should also say something that the yellow cake was still there all these years later, even after Hussein kicked Ritter and the UN inspectors out of the country.

Why it was done in secret was anyone's guess, but I doubt it had anything to do with Iraqi or US national security.

63 posted on 11/14/2008 8:51:49 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

btt


64 posted on 11/14/2008 8:53:04 AM PST by petercooper (1/20/13 - Change I can believe in.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Perhaps I will purchase it.


65 posted on 11/14/2008 9:19:58 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice.)
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To: AngryJawa
Thank you for your thoughtful and respectful post.

I understand what you're saying and I agree that there could have and should have been a lot more aggression from the White House in combating the media's constant, blatant, outright lies in the war coverage. I never understood why they didn't use their own accesses to report the many triumphs that have led to the current, much more stable situation.

What I'm saying is that I know why President Bush didn't reveal what we know about WMD and it was for honorble reasons. I wish I could say more and I believe someday it can come out, but now is not the time. That information could put every one of us here in danger.

It would be great towards justifying the war, but it could get a lot of us killed at this time.

President Bush has done quite a few things I disagree with, but when it comes to terrorism and our national security, I think he has been exemplary.

There are also two nations that are now free as a result.

Thank you for your support and kind words. :)

66 posted on 11/14/2008 9:31:56 AM PST by Allegra
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To: madison10

The source is the book....Flopping Aces is an excellent conservative Blog.


67 posted on 11/14/2008 9:39:40 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Allegra
I wish I could say more and I believe someday it can come out, but now is not the time. That information could put every one of us here in danger.

Maybe it's a shortcoming of my imagination, but I simply can't fathom what the reason(s) would be.

You will, however, always get the benefit of the doubt from me. You've earned it.

If and when the horrible truth emerges, I'll be happy, even ecstatic, to receive a hearty "I told you so" from you. 8^)

68 posted on 11/14/2008 9:48:21 AM PST by AngryJawa (SOCIALISM SUCKS)
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To: M. Espinola

...can you point me to an article on the Russia connection?


69 posted on 11/14/2008 11:04:16 AM PST by americanophile
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Yes, I do. His inability to communicate has resulted in America giving up on the WOT, and electing a pacifist socialist.
70 posted on 11/14/2008 11:06:31 AM PST by americanophile
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To: AngryJawa
Why would we want to tell the enemy that they can find WMD in Iraq like we did?
71 posted on 11/14/2008 11:21:44 AM PST by Blue State Insurgent (Impeach Chimpy Hussein.)
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To: americanophile
Yes, I do. His inability to communicate has resulted in America giving up on the WOT, and electing a pacifist socialist.

Correlation is not causation.

72 posted on 11/14/2008 11:45:06 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
But in this case there's a causal link. Bush dropped the ball on his freedom agenda, he allowed - through non-communication - his foreign policy to be pilloried by the Left, he became an object of scorn and ridicule, and is now more unpopular in many quarters than the terrorists that attacked us. Allowing this to happen caused the resurgence of the Left.
73 posted on 11/14/2008 11:49:51 AM PST by americanophile
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bump


74 posted on 11/14/2008 11:50:43 AM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Blue State Insurgent
Why would we want to tell the enemy that they can find WMD in Iraq like we did?

Do you honestly think that AQ or some of the insurgent groups didn't have a clue that there were WMD scattered throughout the country? They're insane, but they're not stupid. Heck, a sizeable portion of the insurgency was comprised of Saddam's uniformed goons. I think they'd have heard rumors at the very least.

Look, I'm not saying that we needed to publish the GPS coords of the hiding places, but I do think that providing the left and the press (but I repeat myself) with tangible proof of the administration's competence may have proven useful in both military and political terms.

A stronger President may have been able to prevent the use of our media as AQ's propaganda arm. It may have ended the insurgency sooner. It may have saved many American lives. It may have prevented us from electing a Marxist.

We'll never know about those things, but maybe someday we'll learn the truth.

75 posted on 11/14/2008 11:57:52 AM PST by AngryJawa (SOCIALISM SUCKS)
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To: americanophile
But in this case there's a causal link. Bush dropped the ball on his freedom agenda, he allowed - through non-communication - his foreign policy to be pilloried by the Left, he became an object of scorn and ridicule, and is now more unpopular in many quarters than the terrorists that attacked us. Allowing this to happen caused the resurgence of the Left.

Maybe, I don't see it.

Bush's 'freedom agenda' was on display for everyone to see when in 1999 he tried to get the FEC to shut down a web site that parodied his own Presidential campaign site. When the FEC told Bush to go pound sand, he called a press conference and uttered the words, "There ought to be limits to freedom."

His real foreign policy goal was established when he met with Vicente Fox on February 16, 2001, just three weeks after his inauguration, to discuss the terms of the Partnership for Prosperity Agreement (with Mexico) which led to the New Alliance Task Force. He didn't have too many problems communicating his goals to Mexican illegal aliens. They knew exactly what he was saying and what he wanted to do (for them).

He further established his foreign policy when he sent Colin Powell to drop a steaming pile of outright lies on the desks of the UNSC in the run-up to Operation Iraqi Liberation, I mean, Freedom.

The left's so-called resurgence was caused by the GOP spending money like drunken sailors once they had control over the legislative and executive branches of government, then trotting out Tom DeLay to try to tell us that there was nothing left to cut from the federal budget.

If he is unpopular it's because he did it all by himself, through his actions and words. For example, telling Americans that "there were some jobs Americans won't do" and that "family values don't stop at the border" while trying to ram his shamnesty down our throats and give US citizenship and US Social Security benefits to Mexican illegal aliens and their families back home in Mexico.

76 posted on 11/14/2008 12:44:03 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: AngryJawa
Look, I'm not saying that we needed to publish the GPS coords of the hiding places, but I do think that providing the left and the press (but I repeat myself) with tangible proof of the administration's competence may have proven useful in both military and political terms.

If this adminstration has lost credibility it's been through their own attempts to deceive the American public while at the same time working to undermine it.

Colin Powell's steaming pile of lies is one example.

Another is Bush trying to give US citizenship and US Social Security benefits to Mexican illegal aliens while telling Americans that "there are some jobs Americans won't do" and "family values don't stop at the border".

BTW, where's the border fence Bush signed into law to build? Or, is that another example of this adminstration's so-called competence? /s

77 posted on 11/14/2008 12:52:43 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
One thing I wonder, one thing never in depth with facts is the shipments to Syria from Iraq prior to 9/11/01. Granted Syria has expertise building bombs but their gas tipped missiles aimed at Israel, and their Nuke Plant gone( 13?? dead N Koreans feeding goats I'm sure); Assad is grinning cheeck to cheek with the propoganda going his way.

Under cover Ops are supposed to be that, undercover. I don't care what MSM tells me I know there were Northern Al-Qaeda bases and WMD's unfortunately... at this time our warriors are on the trail. It a heck or a lot of ground and Syria's borders has always been porous for black market sales, along with Jordan. JMHO..what the #@%&*# do I know.

78 posted on 11/14/2008 2:09:54 PM PST by Karliner ("Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. DDE)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
>>>But then again, McCainenver had a chance after 8 years of Bush's failure. <<<

Interesting observation. However, the obverse is true also.

If Bush had had 8 years of success, McCain wouldn't have had a chance.

79 posted on 11/14/2008 10:19:46 PM PST by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This isn’t going to help with the Bush War Crimes trial thast 0bama is planning.


80 posted on 11/14/2008 10:23:24 PM PST by airborne (Adversity doesn't build character. It reveals it!)
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